Hi, I was wondering if playing 50NL or 100NL is it still worth it to play super tight?

I get the feeling everyone plays super tight... to the point that if you're winning the hand, they just fold... and if you are winning the hand and they play back, they probably minded a set or called with KQs or KJs and hit it big. Barring that, it's overpair vs. overpair... (KK vs QQ or QQ vs JJ happens a lot). There have been 2 times where both of us were set mining and the guy got a higher set than me.

Since I'm not the best reader (although far from terrible), I tend to lose a bit more of these situations than I have won. There are times where I had QQ and fought with JJ and won... and then I have QQ and fight with KK and I lose. The betting patterns and situations are exactly the same, so I dunno what the right move is.

Nonetheless, I find myself breaking even after many hands. I guess that's not bad, but I wonder... is there a better way to play these limits? Will learning how to put my opponents on these troublesome hands make me much better? Or is that a problem everyone seems to have?

Do I open up a bit and play more hands, or is that going to expose me to more problems, like kicker trouble?

I guess I'm having a bit of trouble understanding how to "beat" these limits solidly. Is the field just so tight that it's hard to crack now unless you have nuts vs. second nuts?

If by super tight you mean like 6/6 then no i dont think it is very profitable at these levels. Probably is at 2nl-5nl though.

In regard to your statement about not knowing what to do because "The betting patterns and situations are exactly the same"... Work on putting an opponent on a range of hands rather than one specific hand for that exact reason- he takes the exact same line with a variety of different hands. So we want to know how our hand plays against his range of possible holdings, rather than just trying to put him on one specific hand (although sometimes his range is defined to like 1 or 2 hands anyway). Obviously if we have KK and villain stacks off with JJ+ ok he might have AA this time but you know in the long run in the same situation you crush him 2 times more often than he crushes you.

Well, these are the hands I play:

AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, AKs/o, AQs/o, AJs and KQs.

I know people hate set miners, but I often limp in with small pairs or hands like JTs.

I will admit, I play JJ and TT horribly, so I haven't won much money with them at all. I'm actually scared to play them, so I discovered limping with them and trying to flop a set is safer

I don't mind limping in with a variety of hands in the small blind. A2s-A5s and ATs are easy hands to call with in a small blind. I'll raise with them on the button, or one before the button sometimes. I abuse the button to steal blinds about 50-60% of the time... basically if the hand is playable.

My calling range of hands is a bit different. I'll call 3-4bb raises with small pairs or suited connectors between 67s to JTs to see a flop, because I find I can play these hands well in these situations and I also find that I get paid off and get action a lot more easily.

I could be a bit looser though. I could extend my raising hand a bit, and I could play more hands like J9s Q10s and so on.

this is not 6-max i hope?you are being setmined because such a narrow range is easy to play against, you are too exploitable. and fullring is a lot more susceptible to setmining.

if it is 6-max, open up your game.

This is full ring, not 6-max.

If this range is too narrow, what should my range be? That was one of my questions after all.. to play more hands and which hands?

i'm no fullring expert but i think you should raise a lot more hands from the button, things like suited connectors, pocket pairs, broadways.

Oh, I actually do raise with those hands as well. Like I said, 50-60% of the time I raise. If I get a bad string of cards, sometimes I raise anyway. It depends on the type of table. I just sort of go with the flow.

i've seen people play successfully at 11-12 vpip. but that's about as low as they go.

I don't know if thats anywhere near a standard hand range for FR but given the speed the hands play out and the limited selection of those you actually play I don't get it.

I mean you can't like playing poker and your not making money so whats the point?

Play tight from early position and expand your opening range as you get nearer to the button.

If your hand is good enough to play and you are 1st in then bet, don't limp.

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What don't you get?

what the hell that post has to do with me.

Limping is Weeeaak

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sounds to me like 50nl might be to high of stakes for you.

No. Limping with pairs is very profitable. Like, it's very, very profitable. I don't see how it's weak at these limits. Bull.

Some limps can be weak, but it really depends on the table. I can't raise every hand.

You're probably right, but I'd like to get better. The lower stakes are too easy, so it's weird.

Sorry, cross quoting, I to include myself in the bit that I wasn't a FR expert either but the rest was meant for OP.

Made sense to my drunken brain at the time.

just don't play tight, because you'll never get good?

Yes, yes you can.

Keep limping, I'll just iso you, c-bet like 90% of flops and take your money all day

I dont think limping is super profitable at 50nl/100nl.

At 2nl/5nl probably, but not 50nl or 100nl.

Something you can do is give the illusion you are playing pretty tight but open with suited connectors. Stat wise it's going to look pretty normal because getting dealt a sc isnt easy.
Just think like that. If everyone is pretty much playing the same at your limit and you see the same situations, think more on this line.
If someone limps in EP and has never did anything out of the ordinary. They are limping with the same range you yourself consider limping with.
It boils down to just adapting. It sounds so easy, but many people do not and try to stick to a game plan regardless of table conditions. You don't have to LAG it up, but I dont think you should play uber tight when 8 others are playing tight.

And sorry if you take it personal but I'm talking in an elementary fashion, because you sound like you are having trouble.

Nah, I don't talk it personal at all. Not one bit I am very glad you shared your insights. Thanks!