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Do you think a lot of players suffer from FPS? Do you think a lot of players suffer from FPS?

12-23-2012 , 07:26 AM
Thank you for the detailed and lengthy reply.

I get your point and I agree, extraction is important in making the profits at micros -and maybe later on.

My redline is not mainly made up from 3bets, but from blind steals, resteals, c-bets and re-raises when I sense a weak hand based on ranges and bet amounts.

When the action gets to me preflop, and I'm in MP+ I tend to bet 3-4BB to get the action started, and in micros I usually get called by the blinds, which gives me position from the start.
If I'm not called I have stolen the blinds right there.
If I get checked to on the flop, I c-bet, and have the rights to the pot as the original aggressor.
If I face a raise or re-raise on the flop, I decide according to my position, player histories and hand strength.
If the game advances to the turn, the game plan changes, but when in doubt, I raise, especially if I don't already have the nuts or close to the nuts as you had with the 7774 board.

Eitherway, players at the table begin to understand that they'll be facing a wall of raises when they enter a pot with me, so they generally tend to tread carefully and give me the pot when I show my teeth.

But if I face a re-raise or an out of ordinary sized large bet I change the gears.
The first thing I do when I sit at a table is to check how many tables my opponents are playing and mark them accordingly.
If I get the re-raise or 3bet from a reg, I note it down, hand the pot to him and begin tracking his moves. Has he noticed my aggression, or did he really have the hand?

If that's a one tabler who showed the aggression, I give it up again and later test him with the same betting pattern and see if I get the same reaction. So, I trap him later with the nuts and stack him off at some point.

In general I do play a loose and overly aggressive style, but this provides me the ammunition to get into more speculative hands with the fish and stack them off when I hit, because they have seen me bet bet and fold, haven't they?

Finally, one of the things that seperates a good player from a fish is that we can change gears depending on changing situations, they don't.
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12-23-2012 , 10:15 AM
What I'm saying is you want to be called by worse, and your blue line is suggesting that you almost never have the best hand at showdown which is weird and that would imply that you make the 2nd best hand fold more often than not

Instead of thinking about continueing the aggresion you should think about ranges

What range does he call preflop and check the flop with
What range does he call preflop and check/call the flop with
What range does he call preflop but fold the flop if you cbet

You should always consider villains range for his actions and act accordingly, and try some different bet sizes vs different villains you'll find out how much they're willing to call with the 2nd best hand if you play around with the size

I like to measure my play by how often I can get villains to call bets with the 2nd best hand on the river (also this gives you a ton of info on villains postflop tendencies as you see more showdowns)
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12-23-2012 , 10:49 AM
We are gettin deep!
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12-23-2012 , 11:44 AM
Yes, getting called by the worse hands and getting the most $ out of that hand is called extraction, I do hear you.

I also totally agree with you on putting opponents on ranges and bet accordingly, but beyond that I focus on the instances that will make my opponents fold their made hands while I still am drawing.

And how does this graph show that I "almost never have the best hand at showdown", that would mean I'd have a negative blue line:


And guess what, if an opponent stays in the game to the river, he still has equity in the pot if you do not have the absolute nuts.
Then, when they fold they lose that equity and you are a guaranteed winner of the hand, and you don't have to show your hand to the people who are taking notes like we do.
Most of my hands end on the flop or the turn which doesn't provide the chance to people to suckout on me when I have a mediocre hand.

Considering the fact that we miss the flop about 2/3 or 66/100 hands of the time, my WWSF (Won When Seen Flop) stats of 58% for the above graph should also tell something -that I'm a giant fish on a heater or there is a method in my madness.
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12-23-2012 , 12:29 PM
well 36bb/100 is what I call a heater


Also what is your River Call Efficiency? This should provide some insight on how often you're calling behind on the river as you win 15$ on the river in 3k hands
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12-23-2012 , 12:48 PM
Frosty, I'm dedicating my last session to you, check the giraffe below you blue line lover you! (just kidding )
The river call efficiency is at 52%, now I won $15 more in less than 300 hands, remember you were the one to say the sample size was small, then wouldn't this be much smaller for digging out these stats

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12-23-2012 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by PokeRock
Frosty, I'm dedicating my last session to you, check the giraffe below you blue line lover you! (just kidding )
The river call efficiency is at 52%, now I won $15 more in less than 300 hands, remember you were the one to say the sample size was small, then wouldn't this be much smaller for digging out these stats

not sure whats the most impressive here

running so hot at 44BB/100
or playing 3000 hands, in one session, 2 tabling
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12-23-2012 , 03:14 PM
It's 300 hands in one session 3 tabling, you'll see the previous hands' graph on the previous page of this thread.
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12-23-2012 , 03:41 PM
Did u actually jus play 300 hands, run like god, n post it? LOL
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12-23-2012 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by khangura175
Did u actually jus play 300 hands, run like god, n post it? LOL
I've been running godly for the last 40+k hands I have posted in the forums you can check them out at my threads in the poker goals and challenges.

Maybe I'm a giant fish on an industrial sized heater, or perhaps I have found a way to beat the nanostakes in an unorthodox way.

Anyhow my progress or results are not the center of this topic, and for the original question, I am now sure that I suffer from FPS in the micros but this provides me with a high BB/100, so I'm content and this is the end of this discussion for me.
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12-23-2012 , 11:19 PM
FPS is the biggest bankroll Killer... I know from experience... lol
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12-24-2012 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by MintZzerr
FPS is the biggest bankroll Killer... I know from experience... lol
what limit do you play?
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