It's about like folding KK preflop. Maybe worse.

lol harrington, aka i limp AJ in MP 60% of the time and raise 40% and randomize my actions using my watch.

harrington= live player= old school player use to playing fish up to mid-high stakes


even at 10-25nl full ring spots come up now & again where you have to fold it or should... if u dont beat anything & villain bluffs very infrequently then the correct player would be to fold it

It probably ought to be said as well that not everyone plays nlhe.

I have folded bottom set tons of times playing plo - this is one of the bad and costly leaks that poor plo players have in fact, not being able to let go of bottom/middle set.

yeah in PLO it's a lot easier to fold 22 on 2QK than in NLHE

Great point javi

I generally do not fold sets either.

I think I found 2 spots where I could fold a set, even top set....first hand was only 2p but there is functionally no difference in the spot and fairly sure I'd have folded the river in hand 2 if bet in to.

Those spots are no brainers..

I'm pretty sure OP is not talking about folding a set on the turn/river. Plenty of people can fold sets on the turn/river but can you fold it on the flop which hasn't completed any draws yet?

And the answer to that is a no-brainer as well, no and you're an idiot to ever consider it in nlhe

Ah, that's a different matter. No completed draws, I'm happy to stack off on the flop.
Against a known draw-chasing calling station, I'm considering folding when the draw come in and they shove.
Like I said, if 4 cards of a straight are on the board, and the missing card is likely in their range, are you calling a shove?
Or if 4 of a suit come up and you don't have that suit?

I wasn't considering it, I was re-iterating the OP's question.

Depending on the stats and reads you have on him, there could be multiple hands here he could be raising with. AK, pair/flush draw combos, maybe some straight/flush combos like JTs.

I'd ship 99% of the time, set over set in this spot is just a cooler.

That would be a 6-bet shove, but interesting hand nonetheless.

lol@ being an idiot for even considering folding bottom set otf

in all honesty if u opened utg/mp & have bottom set on a wet board vs me and i called on the button or out of hte blinds and raise/c-raise you its a fold and vs a alot more guys in nit ring its the same thing.... & you fold it for the same reason u fold 2nd nuts otr in a deep stack game vs solid reg alot of the time cause your equity is not good or your actual hand isnt

Yeah i generally would never fold a set on the flop unless...

Say you have 44 on 456 all spades and the action is bet and raise all-in before you are to act.

It's rare, but i'm happy to get away from that easily and move onto the next hand.

Also wondering what you would do with 22 on a flop of 27K all hearts? When you bet and are put all-in?

I often push all-in with a low flush on the flop so i'm wondering how often do people call there?

If your raise on a wet flop means I should fold bottom set you are ludicrously passive and have major leaks, no offense.

Also, name of girl in avatar?

FYP

The worst situation would be seeing a raise and re-raise and calling with TT.

Then the flop comes TJQ.

Would be hating life. So many possibilities, i would be highly tempted to fold TT if there's alot of action in front of me.

Other than that, i'm pretty confident sets have brought me the most amount of money in poker.

Don't do this, problem solved

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The girl in your pic loks like a black Natialie Portman. Who is it?

And about folding the set... what about bottom set on a monotone board vs nitty/ competant villains or extremely loose passive villains?

girl in my avy= wish i had a name


& as i said if your a reg/tag who opens from utg/mp and im calling after you my range dont contain any suited connectors so when i raise those flops im not air balling and not incorrectly value raising pairs so i have sets and combo draws with specific hands on specific boards n prob nothing else... oh not to mention made str8's, made flushes depending on the flop...

but yea i dont think its incredibily passive in scenarios like this

14/12 opens 22 utg... sb= 14/12 with iono 5% call open or whatever is std, 50% fold vs cbet, 10% raise cbet & both being solid players

flop= 2-6-7 two tone and you bet and i pot size c/raise u here, yea your bottom set doesnt have much equity tbh vs a range of AQ/AK flush draw + 66-77.... neither do i think its std for most regs to call suited connectors pre in that spot or to raise air either, so yea even if u rep thinly the correct play would prob be to fold in a nit ring uncreative waiting for the nuts game

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
UTG+1

Stacks:
UTG ($83.39) 42bb
UTG+1 ($263.54) 132bb
CO ($200) 100bb
Hero(BTN) ($539.28) 270bb
SB ($327.20) 164bb
BB ($208.25) 104bb

Pre-Flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BTN 3 3
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero calls $4, SB calls $3, BB calls $2

Flop: 3 7 5 ($16, 4 players)
SB bets $12, BB raises to $40, 1 fold, $40 to Hero($535.28)?

UTG+1 huge fish
SB reg, donkbet 9%
Flop raiser = nitty 19/15 reg, raise flop Cbet 0/40 and went to showdown 18% (extremely low)

And you have to ask yourself: if he had a strong draw, why would he raise 4-ways with a giant fish left to act?

oh & thats the 2nd time somebody telling me the girl in my avy looks like natalie portman hahaha... i googled natalie and then was like wtf, no way no how shes way prettier


oh & ugthermic folding bottom set on a monotone board vs anybody is horrible like 99.99% of the time, for the simple fact that he doesnt rep anything when he does that & vs regs i dont even fold air most the time in a spot like that muchless btm set

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