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Did i play this completely wrong? Did i play this completely wrong?

11-01-2009 , 12:56 PM
Party Poker $2 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: $1.54
MP1: $2.05
MP2: $1.42
CO: $1.58
BTN: $1.77
SB: $0.36
BB: $1.19
Hero (UTG): $1.94

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with T T
Hero raises to $0.08, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.08, 4 folds, BB calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.25) 6 4 3 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.18, MP1 raises to $0.38, BB calls $0.38, Hero calls $0.20

Turn: ($1.39) K (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets $1.33, BB calls $0.73 all in, Hero folds

River: ($2.85) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

no reads on villain.
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11-01-2009 , 12:59 PM
well he is screaming he has a set. probably i fold the river shove
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11-01-2009 , 01:09 PM
Nope, looks fairly standard to me. I hate bet/calling on the flop, but I'm not sure if you have a better alternative with no reads. If you 3-bet it and he shoves, you can't call, so I don't think a 3-bet is the right choice. Folding TT on that flop is pretty weak, so I think we have to reluctantly bet/call, then re-evaluate.

When he shoves the turn with two players remaining, he has to have a hand because he should see that the BB has committed >40% of his stack, so he's getting a caller.

IMO, MP1 could show up with something like 77-99, but if that's the case, I think he overplayed his hand and you still made the right play. The king is also a scary card because lots of players hate folding it since they lump it in with QQ-AA in their heads as "monster hands," electing to bluff weak looking flops with it. So, it wouldn't shock me if he actually tables AK.

Well played imo.
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11-01-2009 , 01:10 PM
Alright. Thanks for input

Party Poker $2 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: $1.54
MP1: $2.05
MP2: $1.42
CO: $1.58
BTN: $1.77
SB: $0.36
BB: $1.19
Hero (UTG): $1.94

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with T T
Hero raises to $0.08, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.08, 4 folds, BB calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.25) 6 4 3 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.18, MP1 raises to $0.38, BB calls $0.38, Hero calls $0.20

Turn: ($1.39) K (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets $1.33, BB calls $0.73 all in, Hero folds

River: ($2.85) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $2.85
MP1 shows 5h 5c (two pairs, Fives and Threes)
BB shows 8s 8d (two pairs, Eights and Threes)
MP1 wins $0.60
BB wins $2.71
(Rake: $-0.46)
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11-01-2009 , 01:17 PM
I think the way you played it is okay.

I also think that there's an argument to be made for folding to the flop raise. You've been raised on a draw-heavy flop and that raise has already been called before it gets back to you. If the turn comes 2, 5, 7, J, Q, K, A (about half the deck) you won't have any idea if you're TT is good or crushed, but the fact that you're playing 2 players instead of just the raiser makes it less likely your TT can survive any of those cards (if it's not already dominated by a flopped set).

Small hand, small pot; big hand, big pot. This pot is already getting big and you don't have much and only two outs to improve against multiple players.
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11-01-2009 , 01:19 PM
Using spoiler because someone else might want to give you some input:

Spoiler:
Yeah, the way your title read, I figured they showed hands like that. I still think they were both near the bottom of their likely ranges though. And MP1 did overplay his hand, I think. I like his flop play fine. But to pot the turn with 10 outs in a 3-handed pot, where one player has pretty much committed his stack, I don't love. If the BB weren't in the hand, I would probably like his play alot and this would be a really interesting hand to analyze because I'm not sure what you should have done in that case.

Even with them at the bottom of their ranges, you still would have had to dodge 12 cards (8 for the OESD, two 5s, two 8s) so your equity in the pot was only ~55%. Of course, you were getting ~2.5:1, so if you had seen their hands, it's an easy call. But the way it played out, I think this is pretty much the best you could have hoped for.


Good point made above me by TexArcher. Thinking of it that way, folding the flop wouldn't have been quite as weak as I initially thought. I'm still almost never folding, but then again, we do best when we plan our hand and after calling the flop rr, I would have found myself in same spot you found yourself: in a 3-handed pot with an aggressor and a committed shortsack. So, I don't hate a flop fold. I'm just being realistic and admitting I probably almost never fold, unless we're deep.
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11-01-2009 , 04:20 PM
I would probably bet pot or a little more on the flop , good fold considering turn and mp1 betting strong . otherwise looks ok . tough w/no reads
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11-01-2009 , 04:36 PM
Well played. The flop bet/call is fine. One could make an argument for 3-betting, but that's very player-dependent. As has been said, if your bet is shoved over, you're folding against an unknown.
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