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Deep-stacked, at what point do you give up TPTK or an Overpair to big pressure?

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06-01-2017 , 02:43 AM

bdc

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Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 92

When heads-up postflop, both players deep-stacked, one-pair is an easy fold to a shove (early/mid tournament when blinds are 'small').

But with one-pair facing large bets & raises (not shoves) I get a little uncomfortable with 10% of my deep-stack in the pot, and very stressed with 20% in. So I guess my threshold for folding to another bet is 15% (~1/7) of my stack already in the middle, even on a dry board - I expect to be shown two-pair or a set (especially two-pair if the board contains an ace, with everyone playing AXs).

Is there a mathematical method to establish a fold-threshold for deep-stack play when holding one-pair? My 15% is just arbitrary.

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06-01-2017 , 04:42 AM

Duncelanas

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Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 6,371

It doesn't work that way. The key factor here is the range of hands your opponent is bombing and your equity vs that range. If they never bluff, your top pair hands are folds even if 50% of your stack is already in the middle.

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06-01-2017 , 06:26 AM

Fatboy54

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Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 3,876

FWIW op, I

BQ for advice, but there are some areas where I think the "collective" often fall short.

Deep stack play is one of them.

That's not uncommon by the way. Janda's book is 494 pages long and he devotes exactly four of them (>1%) to deep stack play. And in my humble, rec, opinion, they are the worst four pages in the book.

If anyone has a link to a good, solid, comprehensive deep stack resource I'd love to read it.

Nothing against Duncelanas's post by the way...his point is solid, but obviously a tiny bit of the deep stack picture.

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06-01-2017 , 09:08 AM

Kelvis

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Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 8,737

Right, deepstack is the least solved so we don't really "know" what the right plays are. The problem with always folding one pair is that one pair is actually a pretty good hand in hold em and you can't always afford to fold it else you would be folding too much and I can bluff you with two blanks. Player tendencies also tend to be more important because there are fewer standard lines that people can take to play sort of balanced.

There isn't one arbitrary number that you can calculate that tells you how to play 1 pair.

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