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09-15-2014 , 06:40 PM

dilou

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Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 17

Figured I redeposit again and give it another try at poker.This time I've set some goals for myself to be more involved besides lurking on the forums without being registered.

SB is a 61/18 fish with a sample size of 84 hands.
He was betting OOP every time I was against him.
I know my line is horrendous.

Any thoughts ?

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

SB: $1.34
BB: $2.00
UTG: $1.58
UTG+1: $1.81
MP1: $3.90
MP2: $4.35
Hero (CO): $3.30
BTN: $1.97

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with 8

UTG raises to $0.08, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.08, 1 fold, SB calls $0.07, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.26) 7

(3 players)
SB bets $0.06, UTG folds, Hero calls $0.06

Turn: ($0.38) 3

(2 players)
SB bets $0.18, Hero calls $0.18

River: ($0.74) 3

(2 players)
SB bets $1.02 all in, Hero calls $1.02

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09-15-2014 , 10:50 PM

LazyAce

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raise the flop and ship the turn. You should be good here a lot of the time and even when you're behind you've got outs.

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09-15-2014 , 11:03 PM

Trev

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Agree with lazy ace. Gotta raise that weak flop lead. It's so small. Feels like he probly has a pair and a draw, or just a draw, or just a naked pair. You most likely have a better pair and a better draw. Plus there's lots of cards on the turn you don't like. As played you have to call river. He could have so many different holdings here. You just don't have much info on his hand due to the way you played it.

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09-16-2014 , 02:12 AM

Parsons Grinder

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Being active on the forums in the right way will certainly help your game. Good luck.

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09-16-2014 , 02:16 AM

Duncelanas

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Flop raise good for sure. Turn is sorta weird.

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09-17-2014 , 06:30 PM

dilou

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I had a breakeven session today of 3.6k hands.Started off very unlucky because of set vs set with nits and tags.
My question to you guys: is there some way to avoid set vs set coolers by reading a player's hand based on their range.Can it get that accurate so I can even fold before I end up loosing my money or should I comfort myself with the fact that these hands are considered standard coolers and there is not much I can do to avoid them?

I must be wrong one way or another.Any help appreciated from you guys.

Thanks

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09-17-2014 , 08:17 PM

Vizio

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Yeah I agree with Lazy. You should be putting in a decent size raise off the flop.
And snap shove on the turn.

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09-18-2014 , 03:44 AM

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centurion

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Originally Posted by dilou

3.6k hand sessions? First off i recommend playing less tables 2-4 tops playing hands on autopilot in the beginning is only a recipe for disaster. You are much better off taking your time and thinking about decision that you make this will pay off so much more in the long run. This will also help with your question above about putting villains on accurate hand ranges, the more thought you put into your hands now the more it'll evolve over time and the more accurate it'll become.

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09-18-2014 , 03:49 AM

Parsons Grinder

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So much this. Volume and results will come in the future. Right now it's all about focusing on improving your decision making.

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09-18-2014 , 04:20 AM

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erinjbjs1

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Tremendous work from all involved

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09-18-2014 , 04:53 AM

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dilou

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Originally Posted by [ ]

Sorry i ment to say 3k hands, was a bit tired yesterday after the session.
I can actually play 8 tables with no pressure on decision making.Only when i crank it up to 10 or 12 it starts to feel chaotic.

I want to know what's the thought process of analyzing a hand and putting a villain on a range.Are there any helpful articles that explain how to actually do that, or any good article that would help me at decision making?

Is reading "Building a bankroll - full ring edition" - by Verneer good to read for this situation?

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09-18-2014 , 05:22 AM

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Parsons Grinder

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I think it could be argued that if you're playing 8 tables and finding it easy while learning the game, you aren't going through the right thought processes to be making optimal decisions.

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09-18-2014 , 08:20 AM

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Bob148

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Originally Posted by Parsons Grinder

I think it could be argued that if you're playing 8 tables and finding it easy while learning the game, you aren't going through the right thought processes to be making optimal decisions.

I agree.

Welcome to the forums. Remember that it's ok to be wrong. If you qualify your posts with "I would.." instead of "Do this..." then it'll all be ok and you'll learn when others correct your mistakes.

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09-18-2014 , 08:50 AM

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dilou

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Originally Posted by Bob148

Don't worry, I really don't mind. That's why I registered on the forums, to get constructive criticism.
I will try and play 4 tables max today and see how I improve.

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09-18-2014 , 09:11 AM

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Parsons Grinder

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Originally Posted by dilou

Don't worry, I really don't mind. That's why I registered on the forums, to get constructive criticism.
I will try and play 4 tables max today and see how I improve.

Good plan, let us know how it goes. Don't fall prey to overthinking and fancy play syndrome though.

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09-18-2014 , 09:16 AM

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Kasbe

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I decided to play two tables at a time after my first few sessions and to be honest I'm not sure if it was a good idea. I started becoming very swingy/tilty and started paying much less attention to what was happening.

Since I've come back to one table I play many less hands per session but I feel that paying more attention and focusing on each hand is making me play better and work the principles I'm learning more efficiently.

Each person is a world, but from now on I'm sure I wont undervalue the power of single table sessions for studying.

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09-18-2014 , 12:56 PM

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Blunderer

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I'm a newbie too - only been playing a couple of weeks.

To date I've only been playing one or two tables, and I'm struggling to understand how people keep track of who has done what in the active hand when you are presumably shuttling back and forth between tables.

Is it simply practice, or something obvious I'm missing?

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09-19-2014 , 05:22 PM

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Blunderer

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gentle nudge

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09-20-2014 , 07:59 AM

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dilou

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Can someone help me with providing an up to date list with stats on different types of players for 2014.

This is a list provided by James Sweeney in his poker book, back in 2010.

• Nit. VPIP: (10-12) / PFR: (5-9)
• TAG. VPIP: (13-15) / PFR: (10-13)
• LAG. VPIP: (16-22) / PFR: (13-20) — usually with a VPIP/PFR gap no bigger than 4
• A-Fish. VPIP: (24+) / PFR: (18+) — usually they have VPIP/PFR gaps bigger than 5
• P-Fish. VPIP: (24+)/PFR: (16-) — usually they have VPIP/PFR massive gaps

Are they any different now in 2014?

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09-20-2014 , 08:00 PM

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Chanty57

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Raise on the flop for sure and definitely ship the turn, we can expect to be ahead vs villains range here quite often

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09-21-2014 , 06:32 PM

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dilou

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Originally Posted by Parsons Grinder

Good plan, let us know how it goes. Don't fall prey to overthinking and fancy play syndrome though.

I've started playing 4 tables max after the suggestion was made and I saw a lot of improvement and the pressure was gone when I had to face a decision on big pots.I still want to improve though, reading books, looking at videos and reading other peoples hands on the forums.

My graph so far from September 14th when I started playing 10 tables and came posting on the forums.

And second graph is when I started to take the advice of 4 tabling and focusing more on decisions than playing more hands.

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09-22-2014 , 02:38 AM

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Parsons Grinder

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Awesome, congrats!

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