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12-19-2013 , 12:00 PM
Back on iPoker for a while now. Not my favourite site due to all the nits & nitty gameplay in general. Should be exploitable but very annoying to play sometimes.

h1: Is donking the river fine? I attempt to get a call from 9x, don't expect a passive guy to bet the river again.
iPoker - £0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): £4.02
BTN: £5.58 (VPIP: 18.50, PFR: 14.84, 3Bet Preflop: 0.99, Hands: 323)
SB: £5.69 (VPIP: 62.26, PFR: 11.32, 3Bet Preflop: 17.39, Hands: 55)
BB: £4.10 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)

SB posts SB £0.02, BB posts BB £0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: £0.06) Hero has 9 J

Hero raises to £0.12, BTN calls £0.12, fold, fold

Flop: (£0.30, 2 players) 9 J 9
Hero bets £0.15, BTN calls £0.15

Turn: (£0.60, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, BTN bets £0.42, Hero calls £0.42

River: (£1.44, 2 players) 2
Hero bets £1.00, fold

Butchered this hand. Can we float the flop? OTT i expect him to have like a missed AK

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $4.94 (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
UTG: $5.87 (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
CO: $1.57 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 40)
Hero (BTN): $6.66
SB: $3.73 (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 7.89, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has J Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.12, fold, BB raises to $0.36, Hero calls $0.24

Flop: ($0.74, 2 players) 3 4 7
BB bets $0.51, Hero calls $0.51

Turn: ($1.76, 2 players) 9
BB bets $0.36, Hero calls $0.36

River: ($2.48, 2 players) K
BB bets $1.73, fold

Same guy here. He had like 6% PFR at this point so i thought it's fine to flat. I guess river is a fold, but was one of those flow moments where i was putting villain only on A-high

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $5.88 (VPIP: 17.02, PFR: 6.38, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 47)
MP: $5.95 (VPIP: 31.75, PFR: 17.46, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 64)
CO: $1.30 (VPIP: 10.96, PFR: 5.48, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 75)
Hero (BTN): $7.12
SB: $6.59 (VPIP: 17.74, PFR: 11.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 68)
BB: $4.00

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has K A

UTG raises to $0.12, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.12, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.30, 2 players) 5 7 6
UTG bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.54, 2 players) Q
UTG bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12

River: ($0.78, 2 players) 8
UTG bets $0.31, Hero calls $0.31

Spoiler:
UTG shows 4 4 (Straight, Eight High) (Pre 54%, Flop 77%, Turn 86%)
Hero mucks K A (High Card, Ace) (Pre 46%, Flop 23%, Turn 14%)
UTG wins $1.31


h4: Since opponent is a fish, i'm not sure if raising is spewy here.

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $4.80 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
CO: $5.28 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
BTN: $1.86 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: $2.83 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (BB): $5.00

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has J A

fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.16, SB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.32, 2 players) 7 5 5
SB bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.56, 2 players) 9
SB bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12

River: ($0.80, 2 players) 8
SB bets $0.32, fold
12-19-2013 , 12:02 PM
H1, I'd expect anyone to bet the river with QQ or better, x/jam is way better, especially considering you rep so strong by donking.
H2 flop float is close but fine, turn float is spew despite his sizing.
H3 raise the river.
H4 looks fine.
12-19-2013 , 12:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ohhesdamned
If he potted river id say you had the right odds

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Yeah he did pot river. Would have probably called a shove too but meh, just annoyed it cost me a fair bit of my stack.

Also got the general impression I wasn't playing my A game anymore so I'm calling it a night for now. Folded QQ to an all in on the flop when the flop was 234dd (villain just shoved straight away) and scenarios like that are pretty much always a snapcall, but I pussied out.

Was playing great a couple of hours ago. Tables will always be there tommorow I suppose!
12-19-2013 , 12:15 PM
H2 floating is ok, turn is a raise/fold given how little equity we have I fold

H3 fold ott

Last edited by Ohhesdamned; 12-19-2013 at 12:27 PM.
12-19-2013 , 12:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
I have many people tagged as fish before I've seen them play a hand. If they're 1-tabling, bronze star, less then minstack, and Russian, snap fish mark.
I try to think that would a regular really min 3b, limp UTG, not buy-in full and similar things.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
H2 flop float is close but fine, turn float is spew despite his sizing. Can always retag later.
I think against an unknown w/o backdoor SD in 4nl it's a bit spewy. Have been trying to win too many pots lately since i'm on an upswing. I should hit the fold button a bit more often.
12-19-2013 , 12:30 PM
Yeah, I mean, it's not like you can't change tags later, but once you have an indication it's useful to take a note in case the fish learns to hide their VIP level by the next session, especially in Zoom where you might only get 4 or 5 hands on them.
12-19-2013 , 12:45 PM
Yeah I have a tag I use on people who are not on autorebuy and or one tabling
12-19-2013 , 01:42 PM
Always ****e when it happens (sent my session from nearly BE to -2BI) but sometimes you just have to close your eyes and rip it in.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $13.59 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
Hero (SB): $40.40
BB: $28.06 (VPIP: 16.22, PFR: 8.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 39)
UTG: $49.21 (VPIP: 25.13, PFR: 17.69, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 397)
MP: $17.95
CO: $38.18 (VPIP: 16.00, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)

Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has K K

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.75, fold, Hero raises to $2.50, fold, CO raises to $7.00, Hero raises to $40.40 and is all-in, CO calls $31.18 and is all-in

Flop: ($76.61, 2 players) 3 A T

Turn: ($76.61, 2 players) K

River: ($76.61, 2 players) 6

Hero shows K K (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 18%, Flop 5%, Turn 2%)
CO shows A A (Three of a Kind, Aces) (Pre 82%, Flop 95%, Turn 98%)
CO wins $74.61
12-19-2013 , 02:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
(free video) Is it just me, or is it really surprising that this person is a) presumably beating 400NL at any site, and b) is employed by DtB to talk about her thought process?

http://www.dragthebar.com/poker-vide...4581a05b42e199
Sadly, its not a level.
12-19-2013 , 03:20 PM
This hand happened yesterday. Felt pretty good after running below EV. Also rivered a King w/ AA vs KK. Gotta punch that variance in the face.

Microgaming - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: €10.00 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 11.43, 3Bet Preflop: 2.27, Hands: 177)
Hero (UTG): €19.35
MP: €12.02 (VPIP: 22.60, PFR: 16.53, 3Bet Preflop: 5.99, Hands: 604)
CO: €8.59
BTN: €9.70 (VPIP: 19.42, PFR: 17.27, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 140)
SB: €11.27 (VPIP: 54.90, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 2.08, Hands: 106)

SB posts SB €0.05, BB posts BB €0.10, CO posts DB €0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.25) Hero has A K

Hero raises to €0.40, fold, CO calls €0.30, fold, fold, BB calls €0.30

Flop: (€1.25, 3 players) K K T
BB checks, Hero bets €0.60, CO calls €0.60, BB calls €0.60

Turn: (€3.05, 3 players) K
BB checks, Hero bets €1.70, CO calls €1.70, fold

River: (€6.45, 2 players) 4
Hero bets €16.65 and is all-in, CO calls €5.89 and is all-in

Hero shows A K (Four of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 46%, Flop 23%, Turn 100%)
CO shows T T (Full House, Kings full of Tens) (Pre 54%, Flop 77%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins €17.32
12-19-2013 , 04:39 PM
Vs loose passive fish, 28/20 over ~100 hands cbet 50% on all streets, folded to ~60% of cbets and 3bets, so i know hes not a complete station


Hand Information
No Limit, 0.5 BB (6 handed).
Hand History converter courtesy of pokerhandreplays.com

Table Information
Seat: 1 to_be_sure ($55.08) Big Blind
Seat: 2 annyung ($80.02)
Seat: 4 Hero ($59.41)
Seat: 6 keoghbar ($39.99)
Seat: 7 jackson15111 ($78.88) Dealer
Seat: 9 mrserpank ($50) Small Blind
Dealt to Hero
**

Preflop (Pot:0.75)
annyung****RAISE $1.5
Hero****CALL $1.5
keoghbar****FOLD
jackson15111****FOLD
mrserpank****FOLD
to_be_sure****FOLD

Flop(Pot: $3.75)
***

annyung****BET $2.81
Hero****CALL $2.81

Turn(Pot: $9.37)
****

annyung****BET $7.02
Hero****CALL $7.02

River(Pot: $23.41)
*****

annyung****BET $17.55
Hero****ALL-IN $48.08
12-19-2013 , 04:44 PM
I wouldn't be trying to bluff a loose passive fish off 2p+ very often.
12-19-2013 , 06:46 PM
Down around a buy in today. Some really crappy play by me today so lots to review. Guess the poker karma gods came out to get me late in day too.

H1)

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $5.80 (VPIP: 20.90, PFR: 13.43, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 67)
CO: $4.07 (VPIP: 24.44, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 45)
BTN: $5.00 (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 20)
SB: $5.68 (VPIP: 26.18, PFR: 23.30, 3Bet Preflop: 11.69, Hands: 393)
Hero (BB): $5.14
UTG: $6.96 (VPIP: 8.57, PFR: 5.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K K

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.15, fold, Hero raises to $0.50, BTN raises to $1.15, Hero raises to $2.50, BTN raises to $5.00 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($10.02, 2 players) J 9 8

Turn: ($10.02, 2 players) 8

River: ($10.02, 2 players) K

Spoiler:
Hero shows K K (Full House, Kings full of Eights) (Pre 18%, Flop 11%, Turn 5%)
BTN shows A A (Two Pair, Aces and Eights) (Pre 82%, Flop 89%, Turn 95%)
Hero wins $9.60


H2)

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): $5.97
UTG: $13.42 (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 60)
MP: $2.19 (VPIP: 24.30, PFR: 21.50, 3Bet Preflop: 12.82, Hands: 110)
CO: $7.57 (VPIP: 13.25, PFR: 13.25, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 89)
BTN: $5.37 (VPIP: 32.35, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 35)
SB: $5.00 (VPIP: 18.22, PFR: 15.72, 3Bet Preflop: 2.47, Hands: 456)

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 2 2

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, fold, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.47, 3 players) A 2 3
Hero checks, CO bets $0.30, BTN raises to $0.90, Hero raises to $3.45, fold, BTN raises to $5.22 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.77

Turn: ($11.21, 2 players) Q

River: ($11.21, 2 players) K

Spoiler:
Hero shows 2 2 (Three of a Kind, Twos) (Pre 20%, Flop 5%, Turn 2%)
BTN shows 3 3 (Three of a Kind, Threes) (Pre 80%, Flop 95%, Turn 98%)
BTN wins $10.74
12-19-2013 , 07:10 PM
Just shove over the 4bet in H1, 3b slightly smaller in H2 (or just shove).
12-19-2013 , 07:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
(free video) Is it just me, or is it really surprising that this person is a) presumably beating 400NL at any site, and b) is employed by DtB to talk about her thought process?

http://www.dragthebar.com/poker-vide...4581a05b42e199
lol wtf?
She is clueless.
lol'd when she got stacked with her JJ.

But, gonna start betting less when I want fold equity and more when I want value
12-19-2013 , 07:23 PM
Actually, I didn't think the JJ hand was too bad.
12-19-2013 , 07:25 PM
Didn't think it was bad, just the tone in her voice after all she'd been saying when he rolled over nuts.

Also, she keeps saying how unbelievable it is - she can't have played any microstakes.
Villains play is pretty standard
12-19-2013 , 07:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by McSkinny
Vs loose passive fish, 28/20 over ~100 hands cbet 50% on all streets, folded to ~60% of cbets and 3bets, so i know hes not a complete station
28/20 is loose passive? Just seems like a LAG who likes to defend IP/BB's wider.

Your river bluff raise isn't ideal. It would be awesome if you had the A in your hand, but you don't.
12-19-2013 , 07:46 PM
Yeah, @skinny, fold pre. After that, potentially fold turn. River is meh (def prefer it with the Ad).
12-19-2013 , 07:49 PM
Bankroll and graph direction this month

12-19-2013 , 08:11 PM
Yeah today was a torture. Can't complain though, made back to breakeven. I even won 2€ from wheel of fortune bonus promotion game :P

I got my revenge for bragging on my suck out.

Microgaming - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: €12.97 (VPIP: 22.48, PFR: 17.43, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 219)
Hero (SB): €10.13
BB: €10.00 (VPIP: 30.43, PFR: 30.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
UTG: €21.44 (VPIP: 30.38, PFR: 22.78, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 81)
MP: €14.71 (VPIP: 85.71, PFR: 39.29, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 30)
CO: €10.00 (VPIP: 15.94, PFR: 10.94, 3Bet Preflop: 2.19, Hands: 328)

Hero posts SB €0.05, BB posts BB €0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.15) Hero has A A

UTG raises to €0.30, MP calls €0.30, fold, BTN raises to €1.30, Hero calls €1.25, fold, fold, MP calls €1.00

Flop: (€4.30, 3 players) 9 6 5
Hero bets €2.15, fold, BTN raises to €11.67 and is all-in, Hero calls €6.68 and is all-in

Turn: (€21.96, 2 players) 4

River: (€21.96, 2 players) K

BTN shows K K (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 18%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows A A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 82%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
BTN wins €20.87

h2: Interesting call from villain. I take this line w/ AK, works like a charm.

Microgaming - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: €20.03 (VPIP: 31.43, PFR: 22.14, 3Bet Preflop: 5.43, Hands: 283)
MP: €25.42 (VPIP: 21.76, PFR: 14.12, 3Bet Preflop: 1.54, Hands: 174)
CO: €10.30 (VPIP: 19.51, PFR: 19.51, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 43)
BTN: €17.60 (VPIP: 19.64, PFR: 17.86, 3Bet Preflop: 2.22, Hands: 113)
Hero (SB): €10.50
BB: €15.30 (VPIP: 17.61, PFR: 11.74, 3Bet Preflop: 1.96, Hands: 506)

Hero posts SB €0.05, BB posts BB €0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.15) Hero has A A

fold, MP raises to €0.30, fold, fold, Hero raises to €0.90, fold, MP calls €0.60

Flop: (€1.90, 2 players) 9 9 7
Hero bets €0.95, MP calls €0.95

Turn: (€3.80, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, MP bets €1.90, Hero raises to €5.00, MP calls €3.10

River: (€13.80, 2 players) 6
Hero bets €3.65 and is all-in, MP calls €3.65

MP shows T T (Two Pair, Tens and Nines) (Pre 19%, Flop 12%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows A A (Two Pair, Aces and Nines) (Pre 81%, Flop 88%, Turn 95%)
Hero wins €20.05

h3: Anonymous tables so i guess shoving is totally standard? Would have preferred to get the money in 100%, as we hit boat OTT.

Microgaming - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: €9.90
MP: €10.00
Hero (CO): €10.00
BTN: €11.62
SB: €8.80
BB: €6.00

SB posts SB €0.05, BB posts BB €0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.15) Hero has K K

fold, MP raises to €0.30, Hero raises to €0.90, fold, SB calls €0.85, fold, MP calls €0.60

Flop: (€2.80, 3 players) 9 Q K
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets €1.40, SB raises to €2.80, fold, Hero raises to €9.10 and is all-in, SB calls €5.10 and is all-in

Turn: (€18.60, 2 players) 9

River: (€18.60, 2 players) 5

Hero shows K K (Full House, Kings full of Nines) (Pre 85%, Flop 35%, Turn 100%)
SB shows J T (Straight, King High) (Pre 15%, Flop 65%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins €17.67
12-19-2013 , 08:47 PM
Cooler?

$10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BB: $10.00 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 16, 3B: 3, AF: 2.3, Hands: 61
UTG: $12.87 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 20
CO: $20.08 - VPIP: 91, PFR: 48, 3B: 33, AF: 1.7, Hands: 23
BTN: $3.52 - VPIP: 50, PFR: 29, 3B: 10, AF: 2.0, Hands: 24
Hero (SB): $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with 7 7
1 fold, CO calls $0.10, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, CO calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.00) T J 4 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($1.00) 7 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.80, CO calls $0.80, BTN folds

River: ($2.60) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.20, CO raises to $7.80, Hero calls $4.60

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $18.20
CO shows Jc Jd
Hero mucks 7h 7c
CO wins $17.38
(Rake: $0.82)





Also, I've been wondering, what's a decent/average Standard deviation? How is it calculated, and how can one possibly lower theirs if it's higher than what's considered normal?
12-19-2013 , 08:51 PM
Yep no way we're folding.
12-19-2013 , 08:57 PM
Figured that much. :P
Meh, it happens. -3BI day today. Only had two big losing hands really, that cooler and one where somebody binked 4 to a straight and I snap-decided on calling rather than taking my sweet time and finding a fold.

Most of the reason why I lost today was simply from not winning any massive hands. It happens I suppose.
12-19-2013 , 09:03 PM
Not winning big hands is a great recipe for downswing and self-destruction. Feels so damn good when whale decides to stack off vs your top set after you lost few KK<AA situations. You might start to look for alternative spots to gain more thin value, where just value towning an idiot is much easier alternative.

      
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