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Checking river a bad play in this spot? Checking river a bad play in this spot?

10-13-2010 , 09:04 AM
Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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MP2: $3.33
CO: $5.00
BTN: $5.53
SB: $12.52
BB: $5.00
Hero (UTG): $4.39
UTG+1: $4.55
MP1: $3.18

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG with Q A
Hero raises to $0.20, UTG+1 calls $0.20, 6 folds

Flop: ($0.47) 8 2 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.30, UTG+1 raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.67) A (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

River: ($2.87) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $2.87
Hero shows Qd Ac (two pair, Aces and Eights)
UTG+1 shows Qc Qs (two pair, Queens and Eights)
Hero wins $2.74
(Rake: $0.13)
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10-13-2010 , 09:09 AM
At 5nl you always want to be value betting. Sometimes you'll run into a better hand, but if over time you think that a bet here will show a profit then you should make it. What would you have done if you bet and got raised?
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10-13-2010 , 09:21 AM
I don't think it's bad to check the river here. I would check it too.

But your call on the flop was not so good to begin with. You may call if you have a read on the villain that he routinely does this as a bluff when he is weak or when he is on a draw, but on this kind of a dry board, such a raise usually indicates that he connected with the board or has an overpair to the board
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10-13-2010 , 11:09 AM
Fold flop, minraise at these stakes is usually a very good hand....as played I lead turn and river 1.10 and 2
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10-13-2010 , 11:23 AM
Dont worry about the river check.... why are you not folding his raise on the flop???
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10-13-2010 , 12:09 PM
fold flop
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10-13-2010 , 12:10 PM
this guy was very LAG, firing at flops only to get 3bet then fold. the call on the flop was solely because of seeing him play like a madman throughout the session.

unfortunately he had a hand, fortunately i made my hand on the turn.

i would not call a raise on the flop if this were a villain that i had no history with.
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10-13-2010 , 12:12 PM
still fold flop oop

this isnt a good player to have on your left btw
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10-13-2010 , 12:14 PM
thanks for the response
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10-13-2010 , 12:59 PM
I would agree some the guys here that checking on a river is a good spot. However, I would have fold on a flop because of his raise on ur bet. He could have a mid pckt pair like pckt 88 and made a set on a flop and he got a boat or AK. Normally, I will just fold since I don't hit anything on board. It depends also on ur reading to him, if he's tight, loose or aggressive. But calling on a flop to a raise is a bad play, unless ur trying to induce a bluff and outflop him, by doing that it may be a profitable only that time.
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10-13-2010 , 02:37 PM
I lead river and (even turn) if we got that far as there are tonnes of worse hands that call a bet. Agree probably a fold earlier without a read.
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10-13-2010 , 06:37 PM
i think the fact your check calling the turn then its pretty much the same play on the river, but i prefer raising the turn he still will call with his qq here almost always and you would be betting bigger than his 1/3 pot bet, so you missed value on the turn by not raising, 3betting him wouldnt make much sense to me cause he cant call with a anything but a ace or set in that spot if you check raise... then i would bet the river again, like half pot or even go for full value at 5nl cause people dont fold those hands just because an ace hits the board all the time.. so you missed value big time on this hand
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10-13-2010 , 10:33 PM
I think this is a fine check at river.
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10-13-2010 , 11:44 PM
Grunch.

Don't show results, even in a spoiler. It'll skew the replies you get toward the results-oriented.

I didn't read it before writing this.

You know, I find that I've saved myself a lot of money by continuation betting players who'll fold to one when I have AK/AQ and miss the flop. That you've given no reads tells me you don't know (not a big deal, maybe you just sat down but if you do have reads they're just as important as the hand history so post it) but that's just a thought.

I know, I know, you're supposed to continue the story to rep strength but I'd recommend playing super snug at the micros until you have some indication that you're not in vs. a calling station which really sucks when AK misses.

Is villain crazy aggro because if you have no read saying so, that min rr tells me you're beat. I don't much like the call.

The turn brings you the best card you could hope for which is great but villain, who has reraised your flop bet, is now betting into you for an amount that looks an awful lot like he wants you to call. Bet/fold here and if he calls, game over since even a river queen or ace may not give you the best hand.

Obv., given my post so far, I think c/f'ing the river is the correct play here but I think your whole line is spewy. If you have db software and enough hands to be useful I'd recommend filtering for AK/AQ OOP when missing the flop and see how you're doing.

glgl!
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10-14-2010 , 05:27 AM
I dont think it was a bad idea with the check, as you say he was LAG. So, there was a chance of him raising you if you get, then you be stuck between shove/call/fold.

These are the type of hands that cost you, your OOP vs a LAG and in your mind your thinking "Hey, this guy is way to loose, no way can he have a hand again" you stay in, hit something and get stacked.

I agree with the fold on flop
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