Do you agree with SNG wizard suggestion that I fold in this spot. isn't it a good spot to push:

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By definition, SNGwiz is never wrong. The question is whether the calling ranges you're using are correct.

As someone once put it, "SNGwiz will only tell you what you tell it to say".

does anybody else have any input that is not condescending

Try considering advice from people that know more than you instead of getting huffy because they didn't take care of your precious little feelings.

Maybe you just need to learn how to ask better questions...

(See now that's condescending!)

What, exactly do you want from us? Given the information you've fed into SNGwhiz, yes, the fold is correct. Since this is also the only information you've given us there is no way we can come to a different conclusion. Now, as I implied, I strongly suspect the information you've fed into SNGwiz is incorrect but again, since that's all the information you've provided we have nothing else to go on with.

Maybe button really is calling your shove with QJs...

However, since that probably isn't the case, the problem isn't with SNGwiz, the problem is you need to:

- Learn how to assign ranges
- Learn how SNGwiz works
- Learn how to ask better questions

To use one of those analogies everyone loves me for, you've just asked us, "This interest calculator is telling me it's going to take 53 years to pay off my car loan. Is that right?" Yes, of course the calculator's right. How are we supposed to know whether you're paying 35% APR or not? Maybe you did finance it with credit cards and payday loans...

a response I was looking for is something like:

"It depends on the calling ranges. Wiz doesn't always factor those in correctly and doesn't consider what history you may have with an opponent or the overall feel of a table. This particular hand is close to a shove and if you did it wouldn't be that bad of a play. I always try to shove hands like this just to give a more aggressive image so I don't get my blinds stolen later on as the blinds increase."

I though this was the beginner question forum. Not everybody has been playing poker for 10 years. Maybe you are the one who needs to respond to beginner questions better or not hang out in this forum. Pickles.

Why would you want us to post a wrong answer?

SNGWiz factors in calling ranges perfectly. That's what it does.

You have specifically told SNGwiz that button is calling 12.4%, sb is calling 12.5% and bb is calling 13%. And it gave you the correct answer based on that information.

It's not magic. You have to set the ranges! If you don't set the ranges correctly, then, no, SNGwiz won't work properly. That's not the software's fault, that's yours. You're blaming your car for running out of gas because you didn't fill up when the empty light came on.

SNGwiz worked and works correctly. The problem is that you misused it (I assume). Then you posted here expecting, I guess, us to tell you you're right and the machine's wrong. Then you throw a tantrum when I point out the machine is perfectly right and the problem likely is user error.

Your complaint is like a coach advising a hitter to always be swinging on a 3-2 count because pitchers always throw strikes.

Then, when the batter strikes out, the coach freaks out and says, "Why were you swinging there? That guy had no control, no way he's ever putting it over the plate!"

Based on that information you provided it's a clear fold.

Now obviously if you provide different information this may change. But you have to provide that information! We sure can't!

Well, unless you expect us to second guess everything you post and assume you're always giving out incorrect information. But that just makes it impossible to reply to any of your posts.

I never said the example I gave was right or exactly what I wanted to hear. I don't know what I wanted to hear before I ask it because I don't know the answer. I said it is the TYPE of answer I am looking for. In other words, something that explains why Wiz told me to shove or explains why a shove would not be in order given the stack sizes, blinds or whatever else I may be missing. Wiz doesn't give a qualified worded response why something is a fold (or shove) that what I was looking for here. Simply telling me Wiz is never wrong does not help anybody who is trying to learn the "why" and "how" behind the "what" ; it simply states an obvious fact to try and make the person who asked the question look stupid (that is condescension)

CMAR's first response was correct. He was asking you if you were very sure of your hand ranges for villain. Because in the cold light of day, that would be the ONLY parameters that matter is a garbage in, garbage out SNGwiz. We have ZERO idea if it's a fold or not when you provide NO INFO.......so we ALL (not just CMAR) are forced to believe that SNGwiz is correct.


So here it is: Based on the ranges you provided for villains, of course it is a fold. Why would you think differently???

Might help explain basic SNGwiz

A large part of how the Wizard makes its recommendations is by assigning calling ranges to the opponents who have to act behind you. These ranges are based on the Sklansky-Karlson ratings.

Well, again, we're back to, "Ask better questions". Given the above, your real question is, "Can someone teach me how to use SNGwiz, I have no idea what I'm doing here?" I'm not sure how we're supposed to infer that you haven't read the instructions and are just randomly pushing buttons but if it helps, I'm sorry if I overestimated you and assumed you had a bit of a clue.

But even so, I did answer your question in my first post.

SNGWiz is correct given the information you've given it. The real question is whether you've given it the correct information or not (yes, this is essentially a repost of my original answer). It doesn't work if you give it the wrong information (ranges).

So, next time we fail to read your mind, instead of picking a fight over nothing maybe you should try to actually understand the reply and rather than throwing a tantrum, post follow up questions if needed.

and I'm the one picking a fight?

Looks like it.

Bit late to start complaining about the donnybrook after you've glassed someone...

Four CMAR analogies in one thread

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A good way to learn from these kind of spots is to go back into SNGWizard and see what changes you need to make to stack sizes and calling ranges to get Wiz recommending a push.

Like others have said, it's a calculator, basically - you press the buttons and it spits out the answer. But getting a feel for how different the input values need to be before you get a different answer (and in particular, the answer you think you should be getting) can be pretty instructive.

What the geeks would call sensitivity analysis, I believe.

Good Luck.

thanks diamond, that's a little more helpful

I'm sorry I have no idea what that means. Are you from the other side of the pond or something?

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