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01-08-2011 , 11:18 AM
Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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UTG+2: $9.63
MP1: $8.05
MP2: $4.78
CO: $10.31
BTN: $18.24
Hero (SB): $22.82
BB: $7.02
UTG: $13.57
UTG+1: $15.76

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with Q Q
5 folds, CO raises to $0.20, BTN raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.45, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.30) A 6 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Why is villain betting so small? I wasn't sure what it meant so I just treated it as if he'd checked. With the A on the board I didn't want to make the pot any bigger than necessary.

Turn: ($1.50) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($1.50) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $1, BTN raises to $5, Hero?

Hitting the full house I made what I thought was a standard value bet. Does he think I am bluffing? 55 doesn't make sense with this line. Perhaps he has the A high flush (KcJc) and hopes I'll call with a weak Ace? Would he have checked behind on the turn with AA?

I need some help here please.
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01-08-2011 , 11:46 AM
I call all day long. Like you said AA and 55 are the only hands that beat you. Of the two, only a poorly played AA makes sense, but I would suspect its more like AK A5 maybe, or a completed flush. If you are beat its just a cooler, take your lumps and move on.
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01-08-2011 , 11:54 AM
reraise, he will call you with so much worse.
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01-08-2011 , 11:59 AM
^^^^^^
If you called and lost, well, you made the right play and it is a cooler. I'd probably re-raise/push since the villain's line is inconsistent with either AA or 55. I'd put him on AX, two pair or a flush.
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01-08-2011 , 12:20 PM
I think that you had a good line in this hand and played it well. If villain won then that is a cooler but in my opinion villain had Ax and bet small cause he is a ******? then tried to play fancy on turn, and thought you had Qx which is why he raised you on the river. Calling/shoving the river would definitely be +EV imo.
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01-08-2011 , 06:17 PM
Raise his river bet. There are so many worse hands that will call you. At no point in the hand has you hinted you are holding QQ.

I am almost willing to eat my hat on he has a K high flush. The small flop bet screams I have a flush draw, and i want to see the next card cheap. Wich also makes sense when he checks the turn.

If he happens to have AA, or 55 then so be it, but really there are many worse hands that will call you raise. Making raising the better longterm play.
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01-08-2011 , 07:47 PM
I only started posting very recently and I feel like I have struck gold. This forum is f-cking brilliant - I can't believe how many people are happy to give their time and wisdom. You all rock.

FWIW here's the whole hand...

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players

UTG+2: $9.63
MP1: $8.05
MP2: $4.78
CO: $10.31
BTN: $18.24
Hero (SB): $22.82
BB: $7.02
UTG: $13.57
UTG+1: $15.76

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with Q Q
5 folds, CO raises to $0.20, BTN raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.45, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.30) A 6 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Turn: ($1.50) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($1.50) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $1, BTN raises to $5, Hero calls $4

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $11.50
BTN shows Ah Ad (a full house, Aces full of Fives)
Hero mucks Qd Qh
BTN wins $10.74
(Rake: $0.76)

I wasn't sure I'd done the right thing calling, but it looks pretty unanimous so I feel a bit better now. Seriously though, wtf's up with betting 10c on the flop with top set??!!111!1one?
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01-08-2011 , 08:16 PM
River is antarctica cooler, I would've shoved with glee.
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01-08-2011 , 09:42 PM
Ez jam without reads or stats
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01-09-2011 , 01:37 AM
definitely call.

As he played it I would have put him on a flush draw. Looks like one of those ridiculous mini-blocker bets. His shove on the river would back that up. Obviously in this case I'm wrong but, I still don't see anyone getting away from your hand on that river.
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01-09-2011 , 01:49 AM
I would have shoved just about any stack to that line.
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01-09-2011 , 02:04 AM
i think calling here is a big mistake
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01-09-2011 , 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Jabba021
i think calling here is a big mistake
Are you saying he should fold or that he should raise?
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01-09-2011 , 04:56 AM
Grunch: Don't call; shove! The only hand you lose to is AA. No way he has 55 with the preflop 3-bet.

Obviously AA makes a lot of sense with his ******ed line, but honestly the guy seems kind of braindead and I can see him calling off with enough worse hands to make shoving worthwhile.

But if you don't call shoving DEFINITELY call. Fold and I'll kick you in the nuts.
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01-09-2011 , 10:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Beer
Are you saying he should fold or that he should raise?
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01-09-2011 , 10:15 AM
Are you kidding? ALLIN... you need to push it. The guy has a flush. Really, its easy when you have the boat. Allin and he will call with whatever flush he had.
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01-09-2011 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by freddy234
Are you kidding? ALLIN... you need to push it. The guy has a flush. Really, its easy when you have the boat. Allin and he will call with whatever flush he had.
lol I saw the result of the hand after I posted. Im leaving the post but man they play weird. I guess that reraise preflop was shouting aces.
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01-09-2011 , 11:28 AM
Id make a note saying villian min bets flop with the nuts and then checks turn.

Without reads this is a shove with out a doubt.
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01-09-2011 , 11:48 AM
I am interested in comments about why we flatted pre in the SB. I see all the time that when OOP that flatting these bets is bad and it is 4bet or fold. Is there a difference here? Would a 4bet been too spewy with QQ?
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01-09-2011 , 11:53 AM
So many people at these low stakes do that stupid min bet, I hate it, most of the time it is as a donk blocker bet, but some people will do it to induce a raise. You played this hand great, forget the end result, that doesn't matter.
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