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09-09-2016 , 01:26 AM
I was just looking for some advice. There's a button straddle for $5 and i have AA in the cut off. I make it 20 to go in a 1-2 game. I get 2 callers. I have position on both. The flop is 25K with 2 clubs. 1st guy checks and the other guy shoves all in for $150. He just sat down about 15 minutes ago so I don't know much about how he plays but he's in his 70s and i get the feeling he's probably fairly tight. Would this tend to be a fold situation?
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09-09-2016 , 02:02 AM
Put him on a range, plug this into an equity calculator to see how much equity you have, check how much equity you need and there you go.

Alternatively, if you think he does this with draws and lots of KT/KJ/KQ/AK-type hands, it's a call. If you think it's always 2p+ and massive combo draws, it's a fold.

Based off the information provided, I fold. But really, do the work, it will help you improve your game.
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09-09-2016 , 05:16 AM
you're behind 22 and 55. I might throw in 1 combo of KK but if hes flatting KK pre he's prob not shoving it OTF. if he has 25 K5 and K2 in his calling range you'd have to all Kx and other bull**** in his shoving range. all in all it's nowhere close to a fold for me, but that's just me. assuming you have him covered?
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09-09-2016 , 05:50 AM
Call and reload when OMC flips over a set? EV looks too good here IMO.
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09-09-2016 , 07:45 AM
Old guy probably just flatted AK to play fit or fold on the flop. He hit TPTK and wanted to protect against a flush draw. None of this makes any sense but I can totally see him shoving top pair here and not just sets. I highly doubt he has any K2 or K5 at all so it's just sets that have you beat.
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09-09-2016 , 03:39 PM
go all in.
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09-09-2016 , 04:19 PM
Live players always slowplay sets which heavily weights this towards not a set. Call and cry when this is the one time you ever see them not slowplay a set.

Too much we're ahead of here including flush draws and goofy played pairs.
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09-09-2016 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
Put him on a range, plug this into an equity calculator to see how much equity you have, check how much equity you need and there you go.
YES!

OP, do the homework
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09-09-2016 , 04:37 PM
Tough spot with an OMC in play.

1) If you raised to 20 and had position on the 2 callers, then that means they limped and then called your raise. Your raise was not enough IMO with the straddle and possibly 2 callers in there. With at least $21 in the pot with your call I want to raise more, especially with the straddler yet to act. This is not a huge point, but it does allow someone to limp call with a small pocket pair. Mr. OMC called $15 into at least $46 with whatever he had.

When you look to raise a pot take into consideration both the size of the pot already and 'who' is left in the hand. ALWAYS MAKE OMCs pay a premium to see a Flop.

2) It's hard to tell you to call here since I don't want to pay this type of guy off. Do you have the Ac? If not, then that would open up some additional holdings he may have with flush draws. He is not laying you a very good price against his limited range of hands.

Of course we never want to lay this down ... and we never want to call it off with only 2 outs. In these spots I always consider how I'm going to handle it if I lose. Do I have another BI? Do I really want to see this guys 'all smiles' when I pay him off?

Can I lay this down? Yes, some of the time .. and I'll even show telling the guy "I guess you don't like $$$" when I do muck it. Like I said, this is more a 'me' moment than a 'him' moment. GL
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09-13-2016 , 03:54 AM
At 1/2 live this is a snapcall
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09-13-2016 , 04:20 AM
Neither, it's a raise all in so fast that the table shouldn't even understand wtf is going on. If you're even considering the fold you should just play online some NL2 tables so you don't spend hundreds or thousands to learn the basics of the game.
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09-13-2016 , 07:01 PM
If OMC is indeed tight he is unlikely to be playing OOP K2, K5 in the the way described. 55 is unlikely also and 22 is very unlikely. If you put him on something like KK+, AJs+, KTs+, QJs, AQo+ you’re equity is about 80% much better than the pot odds of about 1.3 to 1 (req’d equity = 43%), so a call seems easily the better play assuming the checker folds. Even if you assign clubs to the suited hands you have 72% equity more than enough..
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09-14-2016 , 06:26 AM
Sets (even KK unfortunately) are 'likely' in my neighborhood. OMC was second to call just $15 into at least $46.00 PF so I wouldn't just discount sets here, especially early in a V session.

OP doesn't tell us what the 2 clubs are on the board or if he has the Ac in his hand and that can play wonderful tricks on V potential holdings.

I don't think we are dominating as often as we need to be to offset the sets ... and then we are just flipping against all the draws. I know I'm talking like a little chicken here and I readily admit that I put too much into 'live reads'.

We only have $20 invested
here and as I indicated before I hate giving 'these guys' chips that will never go into the pot again. However it's also hard to imagine a better spot to take chips away from this guy as well. That's why I also said this decision is more about me than it is about him.

Similar (and worse) example ... I had just, 2 or 3 hands, felted a guy for 60BB by hitting a set of tens on the River to crack his AA (7 high Flop shove) and we go at it again. He UTG raises normal (like $12-15) and I flat with AQ. Flop comes AAJ and he jams 140BB into 4 players. Folds to me on the B and I fairly quickly say "WTF, I just got these chips and you want 2x back?" and fold the AQ face up. Of course he (and the table) go nuts with a few "WTFs" themselves. The look on his face told me I made the right decision and in a later session told someone that he had JJ.

Long story long ... 3 hands later on his B I open with A4s and he flats. Flop 44K, I c-bet and he jams again and I call with him turning over KQs and we send him home for the day.

Again, I probably make too much of the 'war' in lieu of the 'battles' but for whatever reason I felt much better 'seeing' the 2nd shove with my trip 4s than the trip As hand. Certainly both hands could've gone the other way and I don't have a story to make my point with. I just think it's OK (for my head anyway) to make a few emotional decisions that go against the 'automatic' spots that are presented to us. GL
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09-14-2016 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by LegendOvey
At 1/2 live this is a snapcall
If there's ever a situation where you would consider a fold, it's against an old guy at 1/2..

Besides that, "snapcall" might be the worst of all available options here with another player left to act. He might even fold Kx here if we show that much strength. No reason not to make our decision in the same amount of time we would use in other multiway spots.

Unless I missed it, did really nobody ask if OP had the A? That's not only important for our own equity (running clubs) but also for the ranges of both villains. Also, did anybody ask about the stack size of hero and the other villain?

I'd call since the price is already pretty good ($210 in the pot, we have to call $150) and the third player might do something stupid here. Most likely hands for the old guy are 55/22 (6 combos) and AK (6 combos) so he might even have one or two KK combos to make that call +EV.
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