I feel like I should have given myself a free chance to fill the gutshot but at the same time I was worried about the club flush draw and thought maybe I should. Is this ok logic, and if not why?

i don't know, start by giving us a clue why we're raising pre

Okay so do you think the cut off is opening a wide range if so why the hell are we 3-betting him. Are we 3-betting him for FE and hope we get called then hit our 65K flop and hope we get paid by his AT? Also the pot is huge and since this is 1 cent 2 cent your going to have no FE postflop (im being general but maybe they are all solid players). When the sb cold calls yeah just check/call if he bets small to hit your gutter and just go into check/fold mode the pot is huge you have literally 0 FE just give up.

EDIT: okay the pot wasn't that huge but you get my point
Oh also if you were to cbet i would make it really small, but that is way to optimistic cause its 1/2 CENT + 3 way in a 3-bet pot you have no way of winning the hand maybe if you hit your gutshot or bet pot on the turn if both people check to you as you dont have SDV.
Sorry if i sound like an ass hole just wanted to drive the point through CHEERS

I tried to balance my 3 betting range by including small suited connectors in addition to premium hands

Nah u don't sound like an ******* fam I appreciate the feedback

So basically I shouldn't have 3 bet and I woulda been better off checking the flop since I have 0 FE?

Not basically, yes 100%

Need some more info on villian to justify 3bet pre. In these games its a really profitable spot to call pre, and bad spot to balance range in a game where people aren't making big folds and rarely give credit. Other than that betting flop is way better than checking to hit a 4 outter. If you are checking to give up is a better wordage than checking to hit But checking to hit is atrocious considering there is a fd out there and one of your outs is going to kill action or give your opponent a flush and you lose a lot of chips

3betting pre with 65s vs CO opening is fine in a vacuum. CO is probably going to have a rough time to deal with this and against some opponents a 50% 3bet here is profitable. You also have the most perfect hand to 3bet if you're polarized (which you probably should in position) so you have some hands to fight back on low flops instead of just AK and overpairs.

I don't know what to make of the cold call from SB. It's pretty unusual for a (balanced) reg to have a flatting range there but I imagine anything he calls there is unlikely to fold on the flop. With a gutshot you have one of the best hands to bluff here when you miss against 1 player. With the SB cold calling I think it is not that likely you will get two folds with this bet so checking is probably slightly better. Still if you are 3betting with this hand and flop an actual draw, you can't go that much wrong with betting.

When he checkminraises I'd actually be tempted to peal one more card because the high likelyhood of getting his entire stack on the turn but it's going to be close either way.

Only if the SPR is super low remember that you are only playing SC's SG's for FE my friend

CO is loose passive, and i got him playing at 35/22/0.7 over 130 hands. His fold to 3 bet is 25%

does that make it more or less justifiable?

Given that 65s is behind pretty much anything he has and he only folds 25% of the time you should not 3bet hands that are worse. If he calls J9s he is still beating you so instead of 3betting polarized just expand your value range and don't bluff. KQ would be for value against this guy.

Oh ok that makes sense, thank you

So just to summarize and make sure I'm on the same page with everyone:

- I would have been better off just calling vs the CO and 3 betting him for value due to Loose Passiveness and low fold to 3 bet %
- 3 betting a hand like 65s is ok for polarizing, but not a hand to 3 bet with against someone like the CO
- Checking flop would have been slightly better due to no FE

Is this all correct?

I like the pre-flop 3-bet if villain is a reg (who possesses a fold button), and I would definitely c-bet if this was heads up, as Kxx boards have the most fold equity in 3-bet pots (villain has a ton of underpairs and he puts you on AK ldo) and you've got the gutshot to fall back on.
When the SB overcalls I'm probably just giving up though. It's gonna be hard to get two players to fold underpairs, and it's also somewhat likely that AK or KQs are in play.

I would not 3-bet pre-flop if the original raiser doesn't fold to 3-bets. I don't want to bloat the pot with 6-high. I want to win the pot without seeing a flop. As Kelvis pointed out, you should expand your value range if villain is likely to call the 3-bet. 65s is not a value hand, it's a clear bluff that gets most of its EV from fold equity.

3-bet pre is whatever, fine in vacuum, but should prioritize higher equity bluffs.


Flop super +EV cbet + barreling spot. SB mostly has 99-JJ and CO has wide range. Fold to raise.

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No real need to balance your range at these stakes imo. Just get value with your big hands.

this is 2nl, stop doing that