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01-17-2011 , 05:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Exothermic
^^ yes it is... the guy iso raising a limper/donk and i 3bet him knowing he does it light and cant call most of the time...
I just used this trick now. I 3 betted a raise with 27 offsuit. Was a real relieve that he didn't call and felt good that I pulled it off. lol
01-17-2011 , 05:25 AM
BR0-101

Poker is owning me. Running bad. -45 dollars in EV. Whenever I have a big hand I get no action. AA picks me up the blinds the last 15 times. Minus the two times I got it AIPF with 80% equity and lost. Keeping trying to grind through it but this is painful.

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NL Holdem $0.02(BB) Poker Stars
Hero ($4.98)
BB ($2)
UTG ($2)
UTG+1 ($2.17)
CO ($5.93)
BTN ($1.98)

Dealt to Hero T A

UTG raises to $0.05, fold, CO calls $0.05, fold, Hero calls $0.04, fold

FLOP ($0.17) A 2 3

Hero checks, UTG bets $0.07, CO folds, Hero calls $0.07

TURN ($0.31) A 2 3 5

Hero checks, UTG bets $0.22, Hero calls $0.22

RIVER ($0.75) A 2 3 5 T

Hero checks, UTG bets $0.54, Hero raises to $2.34, UTG calls $1.12 (AI)

Hero shows T A
(Pre 65%, Flop 82.1%, Turn 18.2%)

UTG shows 6 4
(Pre 35%, Flop 17.9%, Turn 81.8%)

UTG wins $3.87

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SB ($1.86)
BB ($5.07)
Hero ($6.06)
BTN ($1.94)

Dealt to Hero A K

Hero raises to $0.06, fold, fold, BB raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $6.06 (AI), BB calls $4.87 (AI)

FLOP ($10.15) K 3 6

TURN ($10.15) K 3 6 8

RIVER ($10.15) K 3 6 8 Q

BB shows 8 8
(Pre 55%, Flop 8.8%, Turn 100.0%)

Hero shows A K
(Pre 45%, Flop 91.2%, Turn 0.0%)

BB wins $9.65

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SB ($0.94)
BB ($5)
UTG ($1.68)
UTG+1 ($1.82)
CO ($1.53)
Hero ($5.71)

Dealt to Hero T K

UTG calls $0.02, fold, CO calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.08, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.06, fold

FLOP ($0.21) T 6 4

UTG bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

TURN ($0.61) T 6 4 9

UTG bets $1.40 (AI), Hero calls $1.40

RIVER ($3.41) T 6 4 9 5

UTG shows T 9
(Pre 28%, Flop 15.6%, Turn 93.2%)

Hero shows T K
(Pre 72%, Flop 84.4%, Turn 6.8%)

UTG wins $3.25

50NL, here I come.

Last edited by BlaneH; 01-17-2011 at 05:55 AM.
01-17-2011 , 06:23 AM
Urgh, bad run over the past few days, lost $200 in 3 sessions and am now not even in profit for the month Kinda sucks since at one point I was nearly $400 up.
01-17-2011 , 06:42 AM
Fold to 75/16/16 fish?

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SB ($10.39)
Hero ($14.30)
UTG ($10.62)
UTG+1 ($8.44)
CO ($7.86)
BTN ($5.07)

Dealt to Hero 9 J

UTG raises to $0.20, fold, CO calls $0.20, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.15

FLOP ($0.62) J J 3

Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, UTG folds

TURN ($1.62) J J 3 Q

Hero checks, CO bets $2.95, Hero raises to $10.40, CO calls $4.21 (AI)

RIVER ($15.94) J J 3 Q A

CO shows A J
(Pre 71%, Flop 76.1%, Turn 86.4%)

Hero shows 9 J
(Pre 29%, Flop 23.9%, Turn 13.6%)

CO wins $15.15
01-17-2011 , 08:22 AM
Depends? What was his AF and WTS? Unless the last stat you posted was AF If he's capable of barreling with air definately not a fold.
01-17-2011 , 08:28 AM
Can someone explain agg freq to me please. I feel I should be using it but have no idea how to.

Ta
01-17-2011 , 08:41 AM
He was the bet bet bet LAG fish. I forget his Agg FreQ of the top of my head. It just seemed like he wouldn't overbet the remaining jack. His last stat was his 3bet %
01-17-2011 , 09:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaneH
Fold to 75/16/16 fish?

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SB ($10.39)
Hero ($14.30)
UTG ($10.62)
UTG+1 ($8.44)
CO ($7.86)
BTN ($5.07)

Dealt to Hero 9 J

UTG raises to $0.20, fold, CO calls $0.20, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.15

FLOP ($0.62) J J 3

Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, UTG folds

TURN ($1.62) J J 3 Q

Hero checks, CO bets $2.95, Hero raises to $10.40, CO calls $4.21 (AI)

RIVER ($15.94) J J 3 Q A

CO shows A J
(Pre 71%, Flop 76.1%, Turn 86.4%)

Hero shows 9 J
(Pre 29%, Flop 23.9%, Turn 13.6%)

CO wins $15.15
fold pre ... just like the AT hand above, don't RIO yourself ... fish generally don't raise weak aces and jacks preflop, they limp/call

also, his range leans more towards air or the nuts/effective nuts when he overbets ... when you jam the turn, he's never continuing with his bluffs and you get crushed by better jacks/boats
01-17-2011 , 09:39 AM
But you never know with the Lag-fish. He could be calling a shove with a Q, hell i've seen players with stats like that calling shoves with A high on any double paired board.
01-17-2011 , 10:17 AM
Villain is huge fish. 49/38/6 3bet % River Agg 8.0. I am playing so deep because he over played the second nut flush vs my boat when we were 200+bb deep. Can I ever fold against knowing he overvalues hands deep?
Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

UTG: $4.93
MP: $6.39
CO: $5.00
Hero (BTN): $34.39
SB: $11.24
BB: $13.65

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with 2 A
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.35) K 3 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.35) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

River: ($0.95) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $0.80, Hero raises to $3.40, SB raises to $10.79 all in, Hero calls $7.39

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $22.53
Hero shows 2s As (a straight, Ace to Five)
SB shows 7c 6s (a straight, Three to Seven)
SB wins $21.41
(Rake: $1.12)


I was finally up for the month before this too. I almost folded river but I think he does this with sets as well.

Another gem of my session:

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SB ($8.65)
BB ($5)
Hero ($7.76)
UTG+1 ($7.79)
CO ($2.53)
BTN ($6.27)

Dealt to Hero 2 2

Hero raises to $0.20, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.20, fold, BB calls $0.15

FLOP ($0.62) 9 2 Q

BB checks, Hero bets $0.44, BTN calls $0.44, BB folds

TURN ($1.50) 9 2 Q 7

Hero bets $1.07, BTN calls $1.07

RIVER ($3.64) 9 2 Q 7 8

Hero bets $2.18, BTN calls $2.18

BTN shows J T
(Pre 51%, Flop 25.9%, Turn 18.2%)

Hero shows 2 2
(Pre 49%, Flop 74.1%, Turn 81.8%)

BTN wins $7.61

38/22/7%

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SB ($9.21)
BB ($12.80)
UTG ($5)
UTG+1 ($4.97)
CO ($4.25)
Hero ($11.47)

Dealt to Hero K K

fold, fold, CO calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.20, SB calls $0.18, fold, CO calls $0.15

FLOP ($0.65) 4 6 3

SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $0.45, SB folds, CO calls $0.45

TURN ($1.55) 4 6 3 9

CO checks, Hero bets $1.45, CO calls $1.45

RIVER ($4.45) 4 6 3 9 A

CO checks, Hero checks

CO shows 6 9
(Pre 14%, Flop 20.0%, Turn 81.8%)

Hero shows K K
(Pre 86%, Flop 80.0%, Turn 18.2%)

CO wins $4.24


Villain: 63/50/33.

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SB ($10.74)
BB ($5)
Hero ($12.42)
UTG+1 ($10.53)
CO ($13.77)
BTN ($10.98)

Dealt to Hero Q Q

Hero raises to $0.20, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.18, fold

FLOP ($0.45) 5 2 J

SB checks, Hero bets $0.35, SB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.65

TURN ($2.45) 5 2 J 9

SB bets $2, Hero raises to $11.22 (AI), SB calls $7.54 (AI)

RIVER ($21.53) 5 2 J 9 K

SB shows 5 5
(Pre 18%, Flop 91.1%, Turn 95.5%)

Hero shows Q Q
(Pre 82%, Flop 8.9%, Turn 4.5%)

SB wins $20.46


That was my final hand of the day. 3k hands was up 5 BI now I'm even.. Should of just quit.

Last edited by BlaneH; 01-17-2011 at 10:45 AM.
01-17-2011 , 10:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrig90
But you never know with the Lag-fish. He could be calling a shove with a Q, hell i've seen players with stats like that calling shoves with A high on any double paired board.
unless it's a specific read, and he does it enough to make up for the times he crushes you, then its spew imo
01-17-2011 , 10:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaneH
Villain is huge fish. 49/38/3bet %. I am playing so deep because he over played the second nut flush vs my boat when we were 200+ deep. Can I ever fold against knowing he overvalues hands deep?
Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

UTG: $4.93
MP: $6.39
CO: $5.00
Hero (BTN): $34.39
SB: $11.24
BB: $13.65

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with 2 A
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.35) K 3 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.35) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

River: ($0.95) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $0.80, Hero raises to $3.40, SB raises to $10.79 all in, Hero calls $7.39

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $22.53
Hero shows 2s As (a straight, Ace to Five)
SB shows 7c 6s (a straight, Three to Seven)
SB wins $21.41
(Rake: $1.12)


I was finally up for the month before this too. I almost folded river but I think he does this with sets as well.
Given your killer read, I'd say no ... sick cooler. Buddy list the guy and play him as much as possible!
01-17-2011 , 11:11 AM
BR-107

2011 is a very lame year.

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SB ($5.15)
BB ($14.26)
UTG ($18.91)
UTG+1 ($6.60)
CO ($5.23)
Hero ($13.54)

Dealt to Hero J T

fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.20, fold, Hero calls $0.20, fold, BB calls $0.15

FLOP ($0.62) T K J

BB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, BB folds

TURN ($1.62) T K J 2

UTG+1 bets $1.25, Hero calls $1.25

RIVER ($4.12) T K J 2 5

UTG+1 bets $3, Hero raises to $10.44, UTG+1 calls $1.65 (AI)

Hero shows J T
(Pre 37%, Flop 22.4%, Turn 9.1%)

UTG+1 shows Q A
(Pre 63%, Flop 77.6%, Turn 90.9%)

UTG+1 wins $12.76


Fold vs unknown? Bad play cause I'm stuck?
01-17-2011 , 11:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaneH
Villain is huge fish. 49/38/6 3bet % River Agg 8.0. I am playing so deep because he over played the second nut flush vs my boat when we were 200+bb deep. Can I ever fold against knowing he overvalues hands deep?
Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

UTG: $4.93
MP: $6.39
CO: $5.00
Hero (BTN): $34.39
SB: $11.24
BB: $13.65

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with 2 A
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.35) K 3 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.35) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

River: ($0.95) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $0.80, Hero raises to $3.40, SB raises to $10.79 all in, Hero calls $7.39

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $22.53
Hero shows 2s As (a straight, Ace to Five)
SB shows 7c 6s (a straight, Three to Seven)
SB wins $21.41
(Rake: $1.12)
Nice reads, but no comments on how the hand was played?

1. What's the reason for not c-betting? You have to c-bet that flop. It's a nice (relatively dry) K-high flop for you and you have a gutshot draw as a bonus. Ideal flop to c-bet when you miss
2. Raise the turn when you make your straight? (forget that he has a higher straight in this particular hand, at this point on the turn your hand is crushing his range and should be raised for value)
3. Of course, once you go with the line of "pop them on the river", you have to call when he 3bets you all in, but I'd have a pretty sick feeling in my stomach doing that whenever I don't have the nuts and when the nuts are obvious (no matter vs what villain). In the end, it turns out to be a cooler, but if he didn't have a straight, your best chance to get paid was at earlier streets

When you put 95% of your money in the pot on the river, usually it's a pretty good indication that someone somewhere played the hand badly, and that one of the players has the nuts and the other one is paying him off. This hand might not be the perfect example, but still. I've done it too many times myself to have learned it the hard way

Last edited by Vuggie; 01-17-2011 at 12:05 PM.
01-17-2011 , 12:00 PM
He only folds to cbets 33% of the time. Probably less over the long term. No FE at all on flop. He was prone to spazzy bluffs so I was hoping to let him fire turn and river. The guy just seems utterly clueless so I saw no reason to raise turn when a large amount of time he will have total air and fold. I have what I feel is the effective nuts. Raising seems like it pushes out a lot of hands he will fire river with. To give you an idea of how terrible he is, heres a hand he just played (I am 3BI deep with him on a new table)

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Hero ($17.57)
BB ($5.05)
UTG ($4.54)
UTG+1 ($7.81)
CO ($14.45)
BTN ($8.16)

Dealt to Hero K 7

UTG calls $0.05, fold, CO raises to $0.30, fold, Hero calls $0.28, fold, UTG calls $0.25

FLOP ($0.95) T 2 2

Hero checks, UTG bets $0.10, CO raises to $1.10, Hero folds, UTG folds

CO shows 6 3

CO wins $1.10

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SB ($8.04)
Hero ($16.57)
UTG ($5)
UTG+1 ($4.55)
CO ($7.47)
BTN ($16.68)

Dealt to Hero J 9

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.30, fold, Hero calls $0.25

FLOP ($0.62) 4 3 6

Hero bets $0.44, BTN calls $0.44

TURN ($1.50) 4 3 6 8

Hero checks, BTN checks

RIVER ($1.50) 4 3 6 8 4

Hero checks, BTN bets $1.85, Hero folds

BTN shows J 5

BTN wins $1.43

So yea..I was hoping he spazzed on river vs me in the other hand hence the "pop on the river".He's on the list now and I have a ton of good notes(including some solid betsizing tells). I folded an overpair on the river before I realized he auto overbets river with his bluffs that cost me 3 BI. Just frustrating day. 4k hands of breakevenments.

Last edited by BlaneH; 01-17-2011 at 12:21 PM.
01-17-2011 , 12:22 PM
Yes, I agree that personally for me too it feels a bit scary (and sometimes even spewy) to bet against crazy maniacs who don't like to fold, but in general, if you c-bet only the flops you connect with and check the flops that you miss, it makes it pretty easy for these guys to play against you. Even though we don't give them any credit for having any brains, some of them are good in sensing weakness or even sensing betting patterns. Otherwise, you'd have to check most flops even if you flop a monster, hoping that he will bluff at you. So whenever there is a good flop for a c-bet, I tend to think it's better to c-bet as usual
01-17-2011 , 12:24 PM
I just think it's burning money as he is never folding and I only have ace high. I have no issue cbetting with better equity but I didn't think it was good on that particular hand.
01-17-2011 , 12:27 PM
Yeah my cbet is at 70% this now.

You miss so much value against these guys if you dont bet in position as more often than not they miss the flop and you can take it down. Just be careful about firing a second barel on the turn though. Pick your spots.
01-17-2011 , 12:33 PM
My flop cbet is around 68% with a 49% success rate fwiw. In good news, I shipped two Sunday Quarter Million sattys so at least I got some T$ out of my day. Funny that they took 3 minutes and crushed my profits of 4 hours of playing cash
01-17-2011 , 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaneH
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SB ($8.04)
Hero ($16.57)
UTG ($5)
UTG+1 ($4.55)
CO ($7.47)
BTN ($16.68)

Dealt to Hero J 9

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.30, fold, Hero calls $0.25

FLOP ($0.62) 4 3 6

Hero bets $0.44, BTN calls $0.44

TURN ($1.50) 4 3 6 8

Hero checks, BTN checks

RIVER ($1.50) 4 3 6 8 4

Hero checks, BTN bets $1.85, Hero folds

BTN shows J 5

BTN wins $1.43

So yea..I was hoping he spazzed on river vs me in the other hand hence the "pop on the river".He's on the list now and I have a ton of good notes(including some solid betsizing tells). I folded an overpair on the river before I realized he auto overbets river with his bluffs that cost me 3 BI. Just frustrating day. 4k hands of breakevenments.
Blane, sorry mate, you may hate me now , but I think he played this hand better than you. It looks like you were tilting a little
01-17-2011 , 12:46 PM
Ha. Yea he played it well in as much as I didn't have king high to snap call with. The flop bet was just seeing how reacted to donk bets. I had no intention of really following through on the rest of the hand which is lame but no I don't hate ya.
01-17-2011 , 12:50 PM
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saw flop

MP2 ($261.70)
Hero (CO) ($51.50)
Button ($76.75)
SB ($50)
BB ($50)
UTG ($50.20)
MP1 ($57.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J, J
3 folds, Hero bets $1.50, 1 fold, SB raises to $5.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($11.50) 10, A, A (2 players)
SB bets $7.50, Hero calls $7.50

Turn: ($26.50) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($26.50) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $38.50 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $26.50 | Rake: $1.25

villain is 11/9/3.4 agf 8... 3b in the sb is 8% and 4bet range 0.5 over 650 hands
01-17-2011 , 12:52 PM
So he obviously has QQ/KK there. Though why overbet? Doesn't 20-22 accomplish the same thing?
01-17-2011 , 12:55 PM
or kq/jq, any medium pair... didnt want to value bet the river either cause i know hes not calling me with 99 so i shove to fold out hands that beat me instead of checking behind and losing to qq... spewy but i mean can he ever call with qq or even kk?
01-17-2011 , 12:57 PM
Not really. That's what I'm saying though. Why overbet shove and risk more when he does call when I think he folds for a smaller price just as easily?

      
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