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08-22-2010 , 08:37 PM
You got rakeback? How much does that equate to in terms of rakeback?
08-22-2010 , 08:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masq
You got rakeback? How much does that equate to in terms of rakeback?
that's $193 in rake. about ~$53 in RB for the day. rakeback is a nice lil thing but when you're only getting further under $EV, you're just losing too much $/hr.

i've ran into the nastiest hands today. as you can see some of the hands i had, people spewed off a lot of money to me but i've been in a bunch of pots where i got a set on a relatively dry 2 tone board and stuck it in 3 way to go against an over set and something a fish could call with like TPGK
08-22-2010 , 10:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SchererBoy
I'm at the Final Table!!!! And I'm 5/6 in Chips with 547k.

I got it aipf with AQ vs KJ and the board was AXJKT and that's how I got there. If you want to come watch my ps ID is Tha Chark

and here's how I went out first at the final table

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t8000/t16000 Blinds + t1600 - 6 players - View hand 875994
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

SB: t3029240 M = 90.16
Hero (BB): t420479 M = 12.51
UTG: t822262 M = 24.47
MP: t159333 M = 4.74
CO: t287981 M = 8.57
BTN: t1178705 M = 35.08

Pre Flop: (t33600) Hero is BB with T T
4 folds, SB raises to t48000, Hero raises to t418879 all in, SB calls t370879

Flop: (t847358) J 7 Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t847358) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t847358) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t847358
SB shows Q A (a flush, Ace high)
Hero shows T T (a pair of Tens)
SB wins t847358

I should of waited for the two short guys to bust, but I wanted chips an wanted to win.


Sad to say but thats probably an ICM fold; QQ+/AK+ unless hes rly good and is couple of shoving ATCs-80% then you can call with 10/JJ+

You have such an edge over these guys that you can pick better spots; more or less you want to be doing more shoving less calling

Also SB range is probably pretty tight if hes a random due to the 2 shorties b/c he doesn't want to bust before them

I use to snap here all day and say "I am playing to win" but I don't believe that's optimal to play 180s; its all about the situation and stack sizes seem to dictate a fold; although reads could push it to a call.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxerz
1,100 FTPs today
-$280, running $220 under EV for the day. Ugh..
sick life

I can't even clear 400 on a good day; I don't play that many SNGs or that high...
08-22-2010 , 10:40 PM
Finally deposited at FTP. Plan to grind 5nl rush or normal tables if i dont adapt.
Deposited 234$(had like 185$ on PS and deposited a few more to get first deposit bonus).
Manage to run pretty well and finish +1,5 BI at 5nl rush(500 hands~), also got +5$ from getting 10 Fpps at rush tables.

Time to grind and unlock this bonus . Next month im going to try getting iron man, atleast bronze.

Br is at 255$.
08-22-2010 , 10:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IamPro
Sad to say but thats probably an ICM fold; QQ+/AK+ unless hes rly good and is couple of shoving ATCs-80% then you can call with 10/JJ+

You have such an edge over these guys that you can pick better spots; more or less you want to be doing more shoving less calling

Also SB range is probably pretty tight if hes a random due to the 2 shorties b/c he doesn't want to bust before them

I use to snap here all day and say "I am playing to win" but I don't believe that's optimal to play 180s; its all about the situation and stack sizes seem to dictate a fold; although reads could push it to a call.
I'm with you about it probably being an icm fold...

..but I don't get the bolded part mentioning 180s .... unless you are saying you used to think play for the win and now..because of 180s.. you've learned different.
08-22-2010 , 11:11 PM
Didn't play as many hands today as i would've liked. Only about 500ish hands of 4 tabling 5nl. Im up to 112 now though. Going to play more tomorrow and see if i can put in about 2k hands.
08-22-2010 , 11:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice_W0lf
I'm with you about it probably being an icm fold...

..but I don't get the bolded part mentioning 180s .... unless you are saying you used to think play for the win and now..because of 180s.. you've learned different.
I use to be "play for the win" mentality when it came to MTTSNGs, now I see that calling in spots like that burn us money b/c usually its a flip or a 60/40 which doesn't make up for the equity we lose; kinda like 9 man ICM situations.
08-22-2010 , 11:32 PM
lol I didn't realize it was a regular MTT, thought it was a 180 for some ******ed reason

hmm, depends on reads now; very tight KK+, nitty tagish QQ+, tag JJ+, lag 1010+

SNGWiz says if hes pushing 55+, A10+, A8s+ then Jacks is a call but 10s are a fold.

Last edited by IamPro; 08-22-2010 at 11:36 PM. Reason: but its close, I might still call since u have him covered and still have 10BBs if u lose
08-22-2010 , 11:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaneH
I know nothing of tourneys but is shoving there with TT profitable? You looked like you had a decent stack.
I don't think it was profitable at all
Quote:
Originally Posted by sputum
what were the payouts?

is sb abusing his huge stack?
Payouts were nice for the top 3. 1st was $620, 2nd was ~$440 3rd was in the $300s 4th was $2something 5th was $140? and 6th was only $82
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masq
I don't know much either, but he's got an M of 12 and it's bvb. I don't think it's an awful spot but I hate flipping too.
This guy was bad. When I got down to the last 3 tabls I opened them all to get a read on each player. I had seen this guy really using his big stack well, but also calling ppls shoves with J7s, 9Ts, ATo, KQ, and he was stacking everyone. Even when he was outkicked, like the ATo hand, he would hit.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaneH
I just don't imagine many scenarios where he see's a hand he's happy to be up against for his tourney life vs 2 short stacks. Like I said, I know NOTHING of MTTs/SNGs besides donking around.
Truthfully, I'm hoping he folds. I never want him to call, unless obv he has a smaller pair than mine.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Creg
your pretty unlucky to be up against AQ since the big stack will be abusing basically every single one of your BB's.
Saying that though i think your play is pretty standard. I dont see the point of folding these spots just in order to bank getting 5th or 4th since all the moolar is in the top3.
I might of light 3bet pre but it would of resulted in the same outcome of a race. ul.
He was stealing every chance he got, and even 3betting (and getting folds) when he was up against a steal.
Quote:
Originally Posted by IamPro
Sad to say but thats probably an ICM fold; QQ+/AK+ unless hes rly good and is couple of shoving ATCs-80% then you can call with 10/JJ+

You have such an edge over these guys that you can pick better spots; more or less you want to be doing more shoving less calling

Also SB range is probably pretty tight if hes a random due to the 2 shorties b/c he doesn't want to bust before them

I use to snap here all day and say "I am playing to win" but I don't believe that's optimal to play 180s; its all about the situation and stack sizes seem to dictate a fold; although reads could push it to a call.
I was really looking forward to what you had to say, since I know you're an mtt'er. I really should of just flatted his sb raise, bc if I 3b and he shoves I'm most likely going to call it off.

I know I played the hand really bad, and prolly messed up my best chance to win a tourny, but I didn't want to get 3rd or 4th, I wanted to win it. I'm not good at mtt's, actually I'm prolly a fish, but I really believe I was the best at the table.

I was in a bad mood all night after that blow up, and couldn't sleep. I final tabled a 9max mtt last Sept. with like 5.6k ppl in it, and never thought I'd get to one again. And I finally did and blew my oppurtunity.
08-22-2010 , 11:39 PM
I am a total idiot lol, you played it perfect

I thought he open shoved, wow im on a roll tonight

Def think you have fold equity here, wp and nh

Last edited by IamPro; 08-22-2010 at 11:39 PM. Reason: you didn't blow ****, u played it well and thats all you can do
08-22-2010 , 11:42 PM
Thanks. For some reason it doesn't feel like I played it well. I could of easily folded an got 3rd place at the minimum, but in order to win I needed to catch up.

IAP, idk how the hell you play mtts/mttsngs strictly. They take way too long, and you could play for hours and never accomplish anything. That took just over 7hrs, and I had a bad headache from staring at the monitor. It was worth it, but I felt like **** after I busted.
08-22-2010 , 11:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SchererBoy
Thanks. For some reason it doesn't feel like I played it well. I could of easily folded an got 3rd place at the minimum, but in order to win I needed to catch up.

IAP, idk how the hell you play mtts/mttsngs strictly. They take way too long, and you could play for hours and never accomplish anything. That took just over 7hrs, and I had a bad headache from staring at the monitor. It was worth it, but I felt like **** after I busted.
I play MTTSNGs mostly, my MTT stats are pretty terrible (if u take out that 5k score) b/c I get too impatient and bust my stack in ****ty spots

Def not my cup of tea (tho I still play them once in while, I'm sadistic i guess), I am mostly trying to stick to SNGs b/c thats where my bread and butter is and I can handle the variance better; I just need to put in the volume tho and get coaching on the side.

You played it perfect, flatting there is awful and you should have fold equity if he has a hand you are flipping with like KQ/AJ.

Yea you feel like **** b/c you didn't close it

A -always
B - be
C- closing

Last edited by IamPro; 08-22-2010 at 11:52 PM. Reason: "coffee is for closers only"
08-23-2010 , 12:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IamPro
I play MTTSNGs mostly, my MTT stats are pretty terrible (if u take out that 5k score) b/c I get too impatient and bust my stack in ****ty spots

Def not my cup of tea (tho I still play them once in while, I'm sadistic i guess), I am mostly trying to stick to SNGs b/c thats where my bread and butter is and I can handle the variance better; I just need to put in the volume tho and get coaching on the side.

You played it perfect, flatting there is awful and you should have fold equity if he has a hand you are flipping with like KQ/AJ.

Yea you feel like **** b/c you didn't close it
How often do you mix mtt's into your mttsngs? And what stakes are playing for both?

I was thinking about taking maybe 1 or 2 days a month and playing like 5 or 6 mtts that day. Like playing 5 or so that start around the same time, that way I'm not staring at the monitor for 15 hrs.

I also played some FR 10nl for the first hour or so to stay patient, and not get too bored.
08-23-2010 , 12:16 AM
I prefer turbos but still play everything btwn $5-20ish; like the $11 20k at like noon, $3r, sometimes $11r if I am feeling like it, $5^2, $5r, $8 15k, $5 turbo, $5 15k, sometimes the $1r if I feel bored (softest thing in the world, just run good lol)

http://tourneyplaner.createdesigns.de/en/tourneys/

I usually don't play MTTs so I am willing to "take shots" a lot of the times; playing the DNG ($55) etc


MTTSNGs $12-27 but it depends on # of ppl b/c sometimes I play $3r 180s and $12 180s and others times $12 45s, $12 180s.

I don't like mixing MTTs and SNGs b/c they play a lot different but I do happen to do it but want to get away from this habit

I have been playing 90 mans tho lately but going to play on PS now w/ some side action on FTP; going to play both (20+ table PS for a few hours and 12-14 table FTP for some more)

Last edited by IamPro; 08-23-2010 at 12:24 AM.
08-23-2010 , 12:18 AM
1k hands at 10nl, 10tabling on stars +$3... bankroll= $213

lost $7 in a hand with a fish who flopped a set and i had jj and i was pretty much never folding an overpair to a guy who plays every single hand, ehh such is life
08-23-2010 , 12:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IamPro
I prefer turbos but still play everything btwn $5-20ish; like the $11 20k at like noon, $3r, sometimes $11r if I am feeling like it, $5^2, $5r, $8 15k, $5 turbo, $5 15k, sometimes the $1r if I feel bored (softest thing in the world, just run good lol)

http://tourneyplaner.createdesigns.de/en/tourneys/

I usually don't play MTTs so I am willing to "take shots" a lot of the times; playing the DNG ($55) etc


MTTSNGs $12-27 but it depends on # of ppl b/c sometimes I play $3r 180s and $12 180s and others times $12 45s, $12 180s.

I don't like mixing MTTs and SNGs b/c they play a lot different but I do happen to do it but want to get away from this habit
Is there some guide that explains how different you should play MTTS from SNGs?
08-23-2010 , 12:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaLimit
Is there some guide that explains how different you should play MTTS from SNGs?
idk lol

SNGs differ from MTTSNGs but have some common similarities while all three have things in common but also have different things totally separate from the other.

Getting good at one and transitioning to the other is the best way to do it.

Generally SNGs is pushfold lategame while MTTs is 15-30BB stack sizes and playing around them; raise/fold, raise/call etc

Last edited by IamPro; 08-23-2010 at 12:33 AM. Reason: MTTSNG--->MTTs is how I would go imo but having a 9 man background does help
08-23-2010 , 12:55 AM
Bumpy start, but settled in nicely and grinded up a BI @ 25NL

$761 --> $785
08-23-2010 , 01:18 AM
It took me 1700 FTPs, $299.52 in rake, 7619 hands but finally, I am back in the green for the day.

I will end it at that note
+$16.25 BALLIN... not so much
finished the day -$130 under EV.

My sets have been out set'd about 8+ times today, including someone with a lower set hitting quads on the river.


Full Tilt Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $50.00
Hero (BTN): $53.35
SB: $37.90
BB: $60.00
UTG: $55.05
MP: $133.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with J J
UTG raises to $2, 1 fold, CO raises to $6.50, Hero calls $6.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($15.75) K J Q (2 players)
CO bets $10.70, Hero raises to $46.85, CO calls $32.80 all in

Turn: ($102.75) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($102.75) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $102.75
CO shows K K
Hero shows J J
CO wins $99.75
(Rake: $-0.35)



Full Tilt Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $50.00
BB: $115.55
UTG: $60.30
Hero (MP): $53.20
CO: $10.00
BTN: $22.45

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with J J
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, SB raises to $5.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($12.00) J 7 A (2 players)
SB bets $6.50, Hero raises to $13, SB calls $6.50

Turn: ($38.00) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $11.00, SB raises to $31.25, Hero calls $20.25

River: ($100.50) T (2 players)

Final Pot: $100.50
SB shows Q Q
Hero shows J J
SB wins $97.50
(Rake: $3.00)

i think i caused this to happen, i had a strong read that he had QQ, i wanted to price him in but couldn't fold a set in a 3bet pot


Full Tilt Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP: $50.00
Hero (CO): $73.80
BTN: $53.30
SB: $58.65
BB: $34.00
UTG: $57.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with 6 6
1 fold, MP raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1

Flop: ($7.50) 2 6 9 (5 players)
SB bets $4.50, BB folds, MP folds, Hero calls $4.50, BTN folds

Turn: ($16.50) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10.00, SB calls $10

River: ($36.50) 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $17.50, SB raises to $42.65, Hero calls $25.15

Final Pot: $121.80
Hero mucks 6 6
SB shows 2 2
SB wins $118.80
(Rake: $3.00)

so sick, this guy was a solid reg, i knew he had a set here i was 99% sure he had 99 here but there is no way in hell anyone is folding this.
08-23-2010 , 01:31 AM
Looks like a brutal day emotionally, Boxerz. At least you managed to finish it positively. But can I ask why you're trying to earn so many ftp's? It looks like you could easily make SN on stars, if not SNE, if you put in enough volume.
08-23-2010 , 01:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SchererBoy
Looks like a brutal day emotionally, Boxerz. At least you managed to finish it positively. But can I ask why you're trying to earn so many ftp's? It looks like you could easily make SN on stars, if not SNE, if you put in enough volume.
I'm not really trying to earn FTPs, I just found it funny that I make 200FTPs a day and today, because I started the day off losing hardcore, I spent the whole day trying to just get back in the green.
I don't usually play poker for more than 1-2 hours a day but I just have an issue with a losing day, it messes with my mind, I think to myself, I can't lose so either that can get me further in the red or give me more determination to get in the green. I started winning once I ran a few miles for a poker break.

I used to play Stars as a reg and was planning on going SN but right now I work 60+ hours and next month it will be 70-80 hours a week so I just wanted to make some side money to spend when I take vacation during the Fall. I got a month of vacation time to spend so I need to save up and since I don't get overtime pay at work, any extra funds help.

Some advice to all the players out there, it is quite logical but people don't really follow it.

My job involves heavy attention to detail with legal issues, what I noticed was my alertness vs. the amount of mistakes I make. What that has to do with poker is:

1. If you are grinding while even remotely tired, your emotions will start to control you.
2. You will not be able to focus to your best and this game is a game about who makes the least amount of mistakes. You can play perfect for the most part and make a small mistake, you are losing value. You will make that mistake if you're tired.
3. You will become a systematic robot and will not adjust or remember the simplest things. After the first initial table selecting, I didn't move tables for hours, I was sitting with a bunch of regs for hours, no wonder I wasn't getting many easy spots.
4. Take a break, I laid down and free'd my mind, I went jogging, released some endorphins to make me happy and was ready to go back on crush mode.
08-23-2010 , 03:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by da133
its been a while since i posted in one of these threads, my bankroll was going up and down from 300 to 200 over and over again. but i havent had a losing day in over a week, and my br went from 250-400. i also just got rakeback so that helps. i have been dominating the .25/.50 7 game on full tilt, the tables are really soft there.

also i keep taking shots at .50/1 stud/razz, but i never seem to win. every big pot at razz i lose (there have been several $30+ ones where i got rivered)
just took a shot at 2/4 stud and won a huge pot vs alan boston

i had jacks full he had 10s full, my bankroll is over 500 now
08-23-2010 , 05:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxerz
Full Tilt Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $50.00
Hero (BTN): $53.35
SB: $37.90
BB: $60.00
UTG: $55.05
MP: $133.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with J J
UTG raises to $2, 1 fold, CO raises to $6.50, Hero calls $6.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($15.75) K J Q (2 players)
CO bets $10.70, Hero raises to $46.85, CO calls $32.80 all in

Turn: ($102.75) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($102.75) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $102.75
CO shows K K
Hero shows J J
CO wins $99.75
(Rake: $-0.35)
7600 hands

Is the shove on this board a bluff or for value? Are you hoping to get called by A K/Q? Or KQ/KJ in this spot?
08-23-2010 , 09:00 AM
BR-93

Couple hundred hands. AK<82 and AA < 65o. No biggie just the usual 5NL fish running good.
08-23-2010 , 10:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxerz

1. If you are grinding while even remotely tired, your emotions will start to control you.
2. You will not be able to focus to your best and this game is a game about who makes the least amount of mistakes. You can play perfect for the most part and make a small mistake, you are losing value. You will make that mistake if you're tired.
3. You will become a systematic robot and will not adjust or remember the simplest things. After the first initial table selecting, I didn't move tables for hours, I was sitting with a bunch of regs for hours, no wonder I wasn't getting many easy spots.
4. Take a break, I laid down and free'd my mind, I went jogging, released some endorphins to make me happy and was ready to go back on crush mode.
This is 100% true. When you are tired, you don't even realise the mistakes you make, and are much much less observant. Recently I started to notice a pattern that I do worse in sessions where I played somewhat tired after a busy day. I lose much attention to detail, start to "gamble" a little in some borderline/unclear spots instead of trying to make a rational decision, etc. When later reviewing hands from those sessions, sometimes I ask myself "Did I really play this hand like this and WTF was I thinking here?".

I also work a legal job, and sometimes I am just exhausted when I get back home, especially if I didn't get enough sleep the night before. Before, I just played poker to relax after a difficult day. Now, playing poker on such evenings is a no no, unless I can take a little nap before.

Playing very long sessions can also make me gradually lose concentration without me even realising it for quite a while. I think a little break every now and then is necessary. So, for me, it means no more playing for 4-5 hours straight on the weekends.

      
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