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02-26-2015 , 01:02 PM
I would like some information from more experienced players about bet sizing in 1-2 play at my local casino !

Overall, it's my 8th year of poker, I have lost a couple thousand dollars playing poker at my casino.

My questions are about opening bets, opening raises, continuation bets and bet sizing on turn and river.

I have no idea what is right to open. It seems my image affects a lot their play, like I could open all-in with aces and a loose image and get 4 callers. And open 20 with a solid image and get no calls.

I have noticed that I don't make anybody fold with standart opening at 6 or 7 dollars. Even more so, people use it to play against me because they find it weak.

Twelve dollars still gets calls from 4-8 suited.

20 dollars open people sometimes fold and call A9 or better. Nobody ever raised me when I did a 20 dollars open, even with AK and kings. I had aces in both case but they didn't knew about it, but still they didn't raise.

The other day, I had a very loose image, open to $25 with aces, got 2 calls and last to act shove for $100. I snap call, everybody called and I lost to a set of fives. I wasen't feeling good with aces in a 4 way all-in. He slowrolled me with a dejected face until he turned his fives face up. After the dealer already put the chips in front of me before she saw the fives.

Anyway, I'm not here to talk about slowroll, I just think that if I went all-in preflop with my very loose image, I would have got the first two calls and the players with fives last too act may have folded. Any tought on that?

So how much to raise, how much to bet? Do I really want to have no fold equity, it seems I will lose so much more having no fold equity. I'd rather face QQ KK and AK with my aces doing a big bet preflop (25 or 45$?) and not have to play a pot against QJ suited and small pocket pairs. It seems I get paid much more likely and will have less of 4 to 6 way pots.

If I raise 12$ with aces I'm just asking to get sucked out it seems. Then I could bet half pot half pot till I fold to a reraise. Would that be a good strategy?

Also, it seems pot control in live play works a lot less than online. I cannot pot control ever. They see weakness in it and stab at it with anything. It takes me a couple hands to understand it and call their bluff, so I'm losing a lot of money there.

I would like to know what is a good value bet with top pair for every street (you can answer in % of the pot or in pot control, like 10-10-10 flop turn river or 20-20-20?)

Is it really important to find their calling treshold and bet exactly it so I give them a hard decision? Could I just bet 15% of their stack at every open so I actually dont lose to weird two pairs on a 10-6-3 board?

Thanks for taking time to answer me about bet sizing and opening.
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02-26-2015 , 01:42 PM
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I have noticed that I don't make anybody fold with standart opening at 6 or 7 dollars. Even more so, people use it to play against me because they find it weak.

Twelve dollars still gets calls from 4-8 suited.
Then open for more. 5 * BB + 1 BB per limper is a good starting point that can be adjusted upward as needed (never adjust downward) if the table keeps calling light.

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The other day, I had a very loose image, open to $25 with aces, got 2 calls and last to act shove for $100. I snap call, everybody called and I lost to a set of fives.

Anyway, I'm not here to talk about slowroll, I just think that if I went all-in preflop with my very loose image, I would have got the first two calls and the players with fives last too act may have folded. Any tought on that?
Don't be results oriented. You want to be AI with Aces preflop if possible. It's the best starting hand in poker. You won't win every time, but if you could get AA every hand and GII 4-way every single time, you would be printing money.

That said, you should have re-raised all-in when the last-to-act went AI for $100. You may have lost to the set of 55, but if you and the other players had deeper stacks you would have won the side pot from them.

The rest of your post can't be answered with anything other than "It depends" as it's way too general. In general, don't overplay top pair and consider checking a street for pot control and to prevent yourself from becoming pot committed. But other times you will need to play it stronger and go all-in, so like I said, it depends.
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02-27-2015 , 09:54 AM
there is so much here that doesn't make sense to me.

#1. it sounds like you're too attached to what YOUR perceived image is compared to what you perceive your VILLAIN'S image is. For the game I play, I am aware of what my image SHOULD be, (based on my play) but that's only a smart part of how and why I do something at the table. Mostly, I don't give my opponents credit for really paying much attention to me, because I already know who is and who isn't paying attention.

#2 As far as bet sizing, in the 1/2 game I play, a standard preflop raise is anywhere between $7 and $15 in a normal pot. For me it's $10-$15 (usually) and my default C-bet is 1/2 pot UNLESS I have a calling station AND I hit the flop hard, then I can bet 3/4 pot or more and know V is going to call. But like Johnny said, this is all Villain dependent.

#3. I think OP needs to stick to, and consciously play ONE style of poker. I would HEAVILY recommend a very tight (almost nit) but aggressive style. (ESPECIALLY in position) Don't get cute and try to trick your opponents, because frankly, they're not good enough to realize what's happening, and neither are you. Bet big with your good hands, figure out how your opponents are weak and use position to abuse them. It really is that simple.

#4 You also need to read ALOT of posts here. I can't tell you how much they've helped me in a relatively short amount of time. Don't be afraid to post comments, even if they expose a flaw in your mindset. I've been completely butchered more than a couple times, but it makes me better. GL
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03-24-2015 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Metaphysics
I would like some information from more experienced players about bet sizing in 1-2 play at my local casino !

Overall, it's my 8th year of poker, I have lost a couple thousand dollars playing poker at my casino.

My questions are about opening bets, opening raises, continuation bets and bet sizing on turn and river.

I have no idea what is right to open. It seems my image affects a lot their play, like I could open all-in with aces and a loose image and get 4 callers. And open 20 with a solid image and get no calls.

I have noticed that I don't make anybody fold with standart opening at 6 or 7 dollars. Even more so, people use it to play against me because they find it weak.

Twelve dollars still gets calls from 4-8 suited.

20 dollars open people sometimes fold and call A9 or better. Nobody ever raised me when I did a 20 dollars open, even with AK and kings. I had aces in both case but they didn't knew about it, but still they didn't raise.

The other day, I had a very loose image, open to $25 with aces, got 2 calls and last to act shove for $100. I snap call, everybody called and I lost to a set of fives. I wasen't feeling good with aces in a 4 way all-in. He slowrolled me with a dejected face until he turned his fives face up. After the dealer already put the chips in front of me before she saw the fives.

Anyway, I'm not here to talk about slowroll, I just think that if I went all-in preflop with my very loose image, I would have got the first two calls and the players with fives last too act may have folded. Any tought on that?

So how much to raise, how much to bet? Do I really want to have no fold equity, it seems I will lose so much more having no fold equity. I'd rather face QQ KK and AK with my aces doing a big bet preflop (25 or 45$?) and not have to play a pot against QJ suited and small pocket pairs. It seems I get paid much more likely and will have less of 4 to 6 way pots.

If I raise 12$ with aces I'm just asking to get sucked out it seems. Then I could bet half pot half pot till I fold to a reraise. Would that be a good strategy?

Also, it seems pot control in live play works a lot less than online. I cannot pot control ever. They see weakness in it and stab at it with anything. It takes me a couple hands to understand it and call their bluff, so I'm losing a lot of money there.

I would like to know what is a good value bet with top pair for every street (you can answer in % of the pot or in pot control, like 10-10-10 flop turn river or 20-20-20?)

Is it really important to find their calling treshold and bet exactly it so I give them a hard decision? Could I just bet 15% of their stack at every open so I actually dont lose to weird two pairs on a 10-6-3 board?

Thanks for taking time to answer me about bet sizing and opening.
if you want to win just play raise TT+, AK+ limp KJ KQ AJ AQ when you raise go in for 15 and cbet 2/3 and you should be able to maintain at least 15$/h

if you consistently play solid you will get a grasp of how people play against you. if they call with trash, raise more. like for example lets say i open with AKo and one of my callers ends up showing like 75dd, id start raising to 20, if i saw like 84o id start to raise like 25

when i say cbet, cbet 100% of your preflop raising range; it's profitable in 1/2 because people don't understand poker and aren't willing to **** with your sizing unless you have people that call you specifically to flop the world against you, if that's the case then just bet if you have it, check if you don't. if you can't tell who your opponents are by their tendencies, betting, etc. then betting if u have it, checking if u don't will prob be the safer bet for you. [i can't gauge your understanding of poker so..... that's all i can say i guess]

for the question in value with this strat is that id keep it the same with cbet sizing and just 2/3 flop turn river
for pot control you should check street or bet like 35-40%;
check calling street is better for pot control in 1/2 imo because people usually 1/2 pot when they continue

Last edited by y00han; 03-24-2015 at 01:29 AM.
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03-24-2015 , 02:51 AM
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there is so much here that doesn't make sense to me.
I agree.

You say you've been playing poker for 8 years, yet you post like you've been playing 8 weeks. Any good NLHE book aimed at live play will answer all your points...so it seems like you've never read one???

I was also struck by the same thing as crow27...you seem obsessed with villains perception of you...what is that all about? It implies you're playing a tables full of pros, which is hardly likely to be true at your stakes.

Tighten up, play for value, play ABC, do some studying.
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