I'm going to play some live mtt's (4 a week) this week and beyond.
they have around 10-30 players in them. starting stacks will be 10,000 and blinds at 100/200. I won't be buying the addon or doing any rebuys. theres 2 rebuys or addons meaning you can rebuy twice or addon twice or 1 rebuy and one addon once.

blinds go up every 20 mins and theres no antes. 100/200 200/400 300/600 400/800 500/1000 and so on.

I'm playing to finish first. i'm disappointed if i finish in the money. however i know that finishing just in the money or not in the money at all is quite likely.

whats the best stragegy to use if your not going to use the rebuys?
what should i study off the table to give me a shot at winning these tournies? im going to be shortstacked quite early in these games 10BB-30BB.

should i learn push fold charts? also playing live should i look for tells when im shoving so incase im shoving into someone with a big hand whos going to call and i have AT in mp? i can then proceed to fold my AT.

im also wanting to get better at counting the other players stacks too.

also the rebuys are for 10,000 chips. addon s are 10,000

if you are not rolled to rebuy then don't play them, you're putting yourself at a big disadvantage to the field. otherwise if you insist on playing treat it as a normal freezeout except recognise that many people will be playing with wider ranges early on. how long is the rebuy period?

1 hour.

You have some contradictory goals. A turbo, rebuy daily tournament is, by it's nature, high vairance. Players will be playing wide and fast, and might tend to be sticky. If you are trying to conserve chips and avoid rebuying, this means you will have to avoid draws, avoid bluffing, and play your value hand very aggressive.

Using this approach, you will usually be able to make it to the top 20% just by avoiding bleeding out on speculative hands, but you will have very few chips when you get there. You might have a chance of making the money if you catch a hand or two, but you are not going to be well positioned to make the top 3.

You have to decide early in in this type of tournament if you are trying to cash or trying to win. If you want to win, you have to be prepared to make some risky moves in the middle levels.

Asking what strategy to use with the conditions of 'I want to win, I want to start with half the chips as everyone else, and I don't want to take risks that would force me to rebuy in the first hour' is a bit of an unrealistic ask.

If you get down close to 15 bb's, you'll want to start shoving preflop with decent cards so you can hopefully get some folds and pick up some blinds to keep you from getting too short-stacked. So yeah, study preflop shoving/folding hands.

Pretty much, play tight in the beginning, then you need to start stealing blinds and making plays and playing big hands strong. Youre at a disadvantage by not getting the add-on. You want to start with as many chips as you can. Just try not to be so much of a one-trick pony. People catch on real fast. For me it really depends, I feel like id rather shove AK than AA in most situations.

If people know youre playing tight, that could work for you later and get you some respect when you start to open up. This could also backfire on you when you are trying to bluff and the other player knows, then youre dog meat lol

Within this format and structure (they are different) you are really fighting an uphill battle IMO. I would at least consider the add-on in Level 3 after you've seen how 'the day' is going for you.

Even if you sit on your hands you are probably looking at no more than 12bb when you get to Level 3 (300-600?).

Your goal also conflicts with the format ... You want to win and yet you don't take advantage of the 'tools' the format allows you to chip up with. So you automatically put yourself into a disadvantage over other players who are also swinging for the fences. They may not show the ROI that you do, but they will connect more often in this turbo format. GL

The one approach you can try is to slow play strong hands and then check\shove on the flop. Wait for big aces or a good pocket pair, then play for stacks post flop. You are trying to take advantage of othe rplayers natural tendency to play fast a wide in a rebuy tournament.

This has two major weaknesses.
1. You will have the tendency to bleed out before you get an ideal situation. You will basically see about fifty hands before you drop below 10bb, so you have to get lucky in that you will see a premium hand, have a player willing to play back at you with a weaker hand, and that your hand holds up
2. You won't be able to survive bad beats-by playing a lower risk style and only playing your value hands (to avoid bleeding out, since you don't want to rebuy), you put yourself in a situation where you will more than likely be playing for stacks anytime you decide to play a hand. Even if you get your money in good, you will usually have a 29% to40% chance of getting sucked out on and getting knocked out.

You will basically need to become a short stack expert. Learn when to read the table as weak, so you can maximize fold equity. Recognize which cards play well against the players behind you (for example, if you have a player who reads your short stack shoving rang as K9+,QT+,A2+, then you can effectively shove on him with A9, as he will call you with a lot of hands like KQ, A5, etc).

This style of tournament (turbo, rebuy) is very high variance, so there are no sure fire strategies here. Playing to win usually requires early stage risk taking. You might need to back off on the idea that you won't rebuy or add-on.

Scared money dont make no money lol

I played tonight and brought the add-on and rebuy. i lost with 10BB left with AQ losing to JJ.

i thought about shoving with QJ with 15-20BB from utg against 7 players. i folded it and someone shoved all in with 72o and showed their hand. another player had A8 so he may and should of called me if i did shove.

should i be shoving with QJo with 15-20BB utg against 7 opponents?

what else could i be looking for while holding AQ? are their any common tells that our opponent would have a strong hand whos yet to act behind us? Are we ever able to fold AQ with 10BB? are we looking to win the race?

i used the rebuy when i had QQ. someone with 68 called me all the way to the river and a second 6 hit the river and he put me all in. i had allready put in most of stack. first reaction was im going to fold but i decided to call and i rebuyed. my read was that he was strong. i didnt even put him on a range or thought he had 68 with trips but i thought he was strong.

it was a sort of a feeling. i still called him anyways.

how the heck do you make a read that a player thinks you have K9+, QT+ A2+?

these players ain't even thinking about that. they say preflop i call to keep you honest to see a flop. i show them a ace x hand with a ace on the flop from a previous hand and they say you dont have the ace this time. and are sort of suprised that you check to the river and show K9s with king high to their 99 or JJ with A xxxx board. before you say i should of bluffed since they think you have ace it was another player in the pot who had 99. i just moved to the final table and another player commented after the hand was checked down.

so now they know i have ace or are raising with k9s from middle position with 30BB.

but are they going to remember me raising with k9s from mp? thats the question. will they put me on that?

With 15-20 BB you probably shouldn't be open shoving QJo from EP.

With 10 BB, you should be open-shoving AQ from pretty much any position and shoving it over a raise from anyone other than a total nit.

You don't say how deep you were with the QQ hand, so it's hard to comment, but over-valuing overpairs post flop early in a tournament is pretty much a leak. OTOH in rebuy tournaments you will see a lot of maniacs during the rebuy period.

I'd suggest you get a feel for your table. If there are rebuy maniacs at your table, be prepared to stack off against them with your normal open-raising range. But if you're a table full of rocks, you might want to be the rebuy maniac.

30BB deep with QQ. put in 3BB pf. raised 5BB on the flop. raised 10BB on the turn and called 15BB on the river. how else could i have played this hand?

I am speaking specifically of short stack play, which is usually defined as being 10BB or lower. Experience will tell you what players are savvy enough to try and read the short stack shover as having a range. If I am at a table with some decent players who are decently stacked, I will tighten my short stack shoving range. If I am at a table with passive, timid players, or all players who are short stacked, I might widen my short stack shoving range all the way up to ATC.

With regards to your hand description, I am not sure what point you are making or what question you are asking. I have no issue with checking down when you miss the flop (in these turbos, my c-bet percentage is lower than most, as I find a lot of these rec players are very sticky). I especially would be apt to check it down if the calling player makes 'the speech' (any monologue that precedes a call, but implies that they are weak 'I guess it is time to go home' 'Gotta keep you honest', etc. is uaully a pretty good indicator of strength)

The more you play, the more you will start to see recurring player types, and you will start to see the same situation over and over again. Be observant, take notes, and stay engaged (even when you aren't in the hand). you will eventually be able to say 'The guy to my left has not been respecting my open raise all night, and is an aggressive player, I should tighten my range and be prepared to 4 bet-shove.' or 'The guy in the cut-off is an experienced player and will read my short stack shove as weak, I should shove only with value hands'

FYP - from a terminology standpoint, post flop, if you are the first one putting money in, it's not a raise, it's bet.

But aside from that, if he's donk-shoving OOP, one pair is almost always behind. If you checked and he shoved, you probably have to call there.

This. A guy who flat calls two streets out of positiion, then leads out the river is usually very strong. Very often they will have a flopped set or somesuch. Very occasionally they will have a busted draw and are making a move.

A common line when playing top pair-top kicker, or an overpair is to bet the flop, check back the turn, and then call the river. By checking the turn, you control the pot size so you aren't playing for a big pot with a single pair, and you also induce some bluffs into the OOP player's range.

This line works best on dry boards. If the board is draw heavy, bet bigger on the flop (full pot size bet), and consider betting again on the turn to give him a bad price on his draws (assuming the turn did not complete the draw).