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09-11-2015 , 11:52 AM
Can anyone give insight into the best books or articles that detail how to optimize hand range construction based on implied odds? If there are no resources that directly tackle that, what are some ways that you have approached it?
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09-11-2015 , 03:08 PM
I dont really understand what you mean when you say "based on implied odds" but definitely Janda's Application of NLH is a must read. Not just reading but you really need to work a lot with the concepts and study them.

then well, the biggest leak in the micros in my opinion is to not think well enough in ranges and really bad control with their barrel frequencies in almost every spot especially on turn overcards or 3bet pots. Frequency = either doing something too much or too little
I would say thats like the biggest one haha, well and just not having solid preflop ranges constructed.
Most just don't think detailed enough about villains range and especially not about their own range. Boardtexture <-> Range, if many of villains offsuit combo in his range hit then bad texture for you.. if mostly only his suited stuff did hit, most likely rather good board for you. But you can analyse this really well with flopzilla or pokerranger (you can do EV calculations in Pokerranger too, i love that tool, its a little less complex than CREV but you can do way more than in Flopzilla for example)
-raising "dryish" flops with strong hands is the same category: "not thinking in their own range" they dont understand how weak their calling range now gets on certain textures for example, in general how their raising range and calling range interact together.
Building solid preflop ranges is the 1st step, with some routine in constructing ranges you will have a much a better feel if you are at the top/mid/bottom of your range, well how would you know if you dont even know your preflop range to begin with in that spot? Makes sense for me.
So yea... go with Janda's book and start to construct ranges the next 6 months every day for 1/2-1 hour Thats what i am doing right now too more or less

im in content mode today haha.. but enough posting at least for today i think
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09-11-2015 , 03:31 PM
Thanks for the reply. I'm currently reading Poker's 1%. I will read Janda's book next.
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09-11-2015 , 03:35 PM
I didnt read 1% myself, but heard its decent as a read before you start with Janda.
Oh and if you play zoom, the biggest leak is clicking buttons way way way too fast and not thinking at all, playing too many tables. I am guilty of that too sometimes.
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09-11-2015 , 03:43 PM
I don't recall any specific articles about factoring implied odds into your ranges. Range-building takes into account many other things though.

At a very basic beginner level, however, the advice is pretty simple: Open raise with hands that tend to make good top pairs/overpairs. Don't call with hands that make inferior top pairs (aka "dominated hands") as these have reverse implied odds. Call instead with hands that have decent equity/playability against top pair, as these have have some implied odds.

e.g. It's good to open AJ in MP, as it makes decent top pairs. Calling a raise with AJo on the button is not so great, as it's hard to get value from worse when you make your hand. As a call, AJo has reverse implied odds. (It usually wins a small pot when it's the best hand, and villain check-folds, but can lose a big one if it's second best). If villain bets multiple streets on Axx he usually has AQ+, 2 pairs or a set, so your dominated AJ gets valuetowned.
You'd often be better off calling pre with a suited connector or a pocket pair, as these have some chance of winning a big pot against top pair. Since you usually know exactly where you are on the flop with pairs and SCs, they have decent implied odds. They lose small pots (when they miss the flop and you fold to a c-bet), but they can occasionally win a big one (when you flop a set, two pairs or a combo draw) when villain has top pair.
In short, open with a range that contains many "top pair hands", call with a range of hands that plays well against (or has decent equity against) top pair hands.
Don't call too often though. Implied odds are generally overrated in the older literature. Beyond peanut stakes, most players don't go broke with top pair like they used to, and chasing flushes and straights isn't very profitable. Most of the time if you call with 87s, it's because you expect to bluff if a good opportunity arises. You're not calling pre because you expect to make a flush and win a stack against TP.
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09-11-2015 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Hello2+2
I didnt read 1% myself, but heard its decent as a read before you start with Janda.
Oh and if you play zoom, the biggest leak is clicking buttons way way way too fast and not thinking at all, playing too many tables. I am guilty of that too sometimes.
I only play live. My goal is to just to be able to consistently beat 5-10 live. I think that online would require double the effort to beat. I can only devote 15-20 hours a week to this. That's unlikely enough effort to beat 5-10 online.
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09-11-2015 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
I don't recall any specific articles about factoring implied odds into your ranges. Range-building takes into account many other things though.

At a very basic beginner level, however, the advice is pretty simple: Open raise with hands that tend to make good top pairs/overpairs. Don't call with hands that make inferior top pairs (aka "dominated hands") as these have reverse implied odds. Call instead with hands that have decent equity/playability against top pair, as these have have some implied odds.

e.g. It's good to open AJ in MP, as it makes decent top pairs. Calling a raise with AJo on the button is not so great, as it's hard to get value from worse when you make your hand. As a call, AJo has reverse implied odds. (It usually wins a small pot when it's the best hand, and villain check-folds, but can lose a big one if it's second best). If villain bets multiple streets on Axx he usually has AQ+, 2 pairs or a set, so your dominated AJ gets valuetowned.
You'd often be better off calling pre with a suited connector or a pocket pair, as these have some chance of winning a big pot against top pair. Since you usually know exactly where you are on the flop with pairs and SCs, they have decent implied odds. They lose small pots (when they miss the flop and you fold to a c-bet), but they can occasionally win a big one (when you flop a set, two pairs or a combo draw) when villain has top pair.
In short, open with a range that contains many "top pair hands", call with a range of hands that plays well against (or has decent equity against) top pair hands.
Don't call too often though. Implied odds are generally overrated in the older literature. Beyond peanut stakes, most players don't go broke with top pair like they used to, and chasing flushes and straights isn't very profitable. Most of the time if you call with 87s, it's because you expect to bluff if a good opportunity arises. You're not calling pre because you expect to make a flush and win a stack against TP.
Great post. I learned about A J the hard way...lol. thanks for your response.
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09-11-2015 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by osirus0830
I only play live. My goal is to just to be able to consistently beat 5-10 live. I think that online would require double the effort to beat. I can only devote 15-20 hours a week to this. That's unlikely enough effort to beat 5-10 online.
you don't have to. think of online as a training ground. live is a lot more lucrative so you should play every opportunity you get, but there's still plenty of times you can play online. and in that time you get to put in a lot more hands than live, analyse your play better, and all round become a better player. much better use of your time than reading books, that's for sure
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