You think its impossible to lose 20 buyins on the cash tables? paaahhhh

You should reread the post you quoted...

Okay guys, a few questions.



Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($25)
Hero ($38.51)
UTG ($30.25)
UTG+1 ($15.84)
CO ($28.71)
BTN ($36.42)

Dealt to Hero K K

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, fold, BTN calls $0.25, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, fold, BTN calls $1.25

FLOP ($3.35) 9 Q 2

Hero bets $2.39, BTN calls $2.39

TURN ($8.13) 9 Q 2 3

Hero bets $5.79, BTN calls $5.79

RIVER ($19.71) 9 Q 2 3 4

Hero bets $14.04, BTN raises to $26.74 (AI), Hero...?



Villian stats is as follow:
VP$IP: 51 PFR: 22 3bet: 0 Fold to 3bet: 100
Attempt to steal: 33
AF: 3.0 Cbet: 80 Fold to Cbet: 33


On the river, is he shoving worse? I put him on either a Queen or a draw, but the river just confused me completely.
He does seem to be a floater too with the fold to cbet of 33, so It's hard to put him on a hand on the flop when he calls a lot of cbets.

Should I be betting more for protection?

Also, this:



Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($25.15)
BB ($26.91)
UTG ($25.12)
UTG+1 ($18.99)
Hero ($35.90)
BTN ($31.07)

Dealt to Hero 5 6

UTG raises to $0.60, fold, Hero calls $0.60, fold, fold, fold

FLOP ($1.55) 6 4 2

UTG bets $0.95, Hero raises to $3, UTG raises to $7.86, Hero calls $4.86

TURN ($17.27) 6 4 2 7

UTG bets $16.66 (AI), Hero calls $16.66

RIVER ($50.59) 6 4 2 7 Q


Villian is a 26/26 standard TAG I suppose.

Looking back on it at the time, I wasn't sure whether I should have flatted pre-flop, or raised. He played it like an overpair I suppose, but against his range I have around 60% equity according to pokerstove.

Is my line here okay, or complete spew?
I didn't feel that there was anyway I could fold once I picked up a flush draw along with my TP and str8 draw.

You might want to post the strat hands in their own threads. You will get better responses that way.

I'm not commenting on the play because I'm only at 5NL. .

Were you a winner at lower limits before you moved up? I suspect that you can play a level or two lower to work on your game and put less of your BR at risk.

You also need a good fundamental basic strategy which includes preflop play. In one of your hands calling a raise with a suited connector is not something I recommend. You're about 30 percent in the hand to a typical UTG raisers range. Those hands play better in passive games or in multiway pots. So unless you have reason that Villian is out of line or you suspect he is weak player and are throwing in a iso-r/r then you really should not be calling p/f raises with small suited connectors. Once the hand develops and the pot gets to a certain size you're pretty much pot commited and your chips will have to go in.

Posting hands is also a great idea and so is post session evaluations..good luck man.

I used to play over at pokerstars, where I was a winning player at NL25 and below.
These hands are all played on Partypoker, Maybe it's the difference in opponent standards but I'm losing a lot at NL25 at partypoker.

stars is tougher than party!!!!

That's the problem though, because Partypoker has a lot of fish; I generally get called A LOT more often with cbets and UTG raises, etc. The players are so much more looser and it causes headaches. Especially when they call my raise with things like 24s and flop their flush.

This is the main problem I have, playing against loose opponents.

tighten up and only c-bet with the nuts obviously much less profitable...but still profitable.

Tighter players are much much tougher to play against in the long run, it just seems easy as they fold so much but its hard to make money off of them.

A loose aggressive player is seems tough to play against, but unless they're are good (and most of them arn't) they're printable money if you just make the simplest adjustments. And Loose passive's are the "fish" for a reason.

Just don't get fooled by varience.

Edit: Appropriatly tight, ie. the nit "fish" who are way too tight are obviously easy to play against too. For example I'd rather play a 20/18 HU then a 70/20 lp (but not over a 28/22, the 28/22 is still leaking by being too tight, but they don't loose money as fast as the real fish). Loose Passive fish are really ATM's (the ridiculously tight players are hard to find) and you should figure out how to beat them first thing sfirst.

H1 - Bet bigger on flop, bet pot on turn, and shove the river. As played easy fold.

H2 - Flat flop, why are you raising? As played you're getting odds vs everything except made straights.

Raising for info mainly.

And was it worth the ~30ish blinds you paid for on the flop?

Probably not.

Maybe that's why you're stuck $20000 and me only $1k. I don't gamble, I play poker. And I'm sticking to NL25 for now. Screw taking shots and blowing my roll, I'd rather play a well educated game and win with skill.

If you reduce the bankroll to the point where you have less than 20 buyins of the smallest stakes, your'e busto.

Poker is gambling. Get over it.

dude I would probs not play 56s in the co with a TAG raising in front although if ur comfortable with a read on him it sure by all means play it but if u dont know how to play them it is -EV in the long run

^^ this

Sorry to break it to you, but you don't have a bank roll. You have an allowance.

So long as you're a loosing player, you need to look at it that way. Any money you put at the table has to be there purely for either entertainment or the cost of learning.

Now, it sounds like you want to learn. That being the case, it makes sense get the most bang for your buck. To do that, play at the lowest stakes available. You stay there and grind until you can win, then move up. What is the point of playing 25nl if you are a losing player? You just lose your money faster. Grinding the micros will give you a solid base to build on. Learning to play solid ABC poker is how you beat the micros and that's the solid base you need before you can expand and learn other styles.

While you are a losing player, it shouldn't be about how much you win. It should be about learning while losing the least you can. So, play smaller stakes and play a lot.

OK so seeing some of the posters here I think I might be a little under qualified but I'll throw my 2 cents in. I'm currently playing 2NL and building my stars account up from $0 by winning a small amount in a few freeroles. I agree that you need to move down to make sure that you can beat that limit. You can easily beat 2NL using A Complete Guide to Beating the Micros here on 2+2. I'm not sure about the other limits as I have no experience in them but its a good place to start.

You have taken the first step by joining and posting here. Good luck and let us know how your going at becoming a winning player.

This guide is for full ring dont forget so if you play 6 max it will be the wrong guide. But having said that some of the concepts may be good for 6 max

That one word is probably the source of most of the problems you're having.

You have a ton to learn. (Me too, BTW.)

It can't be done quickly.

The fact that you know why your current game on Party is causing you problems - the villains are loose and call too much - but that you don't, apparently, understand the simple adjustments you need to make in order to fully exploit their mistakes, speaks volumes about the work you still need to do.

Move down to the $10 games on Party (if not down to the $5 games). Learn how to adjust. Get winning in those smaller games. Move up when you're ready.

In the meantime accept that poker is not, and never will be, a get rich quick scheme. Someone once said the only quick way to make a small fortune from betting on the horses was to start with a big fortune. Same's true for poker.

If anything I've said offends you, I hope you get over it real soon.

Good Luck.