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07-08-2015 , 06:31 PM
I don't see a streak of bad luck as a problem to solve, and I'm emotionally stable enough to get over it. My question is - in what way do you deal with it ?

I don't know how to react to a bad beat. Here comes its description and how I feel about it, you can skip this paragraph; 3 stacks lost to AA, then, simultaneously at different tables, set on 44 lost to a 55 one & all-in pre with AA against a fish who flopped straight. 3 days of rigorous grinding lost in several hours - and not because I played badly. Being a zero day noob, I could make a safe assumption I suck, think over my play and improve it. Then go to play and hope to win because I became better. Now, there's this, and the yellow All-in adj. line saying that I lost six buy-ins just at unlucky rivers. People who have been playing for several years must've dealt with a similiar experience at some point in time, but I haven't yet and it feels ****ing horrible.

What do you say to yourself after a big and seemingly undeserved loss ? Why do you continue to play after ?

Last edited by alexmjk; 07-08-2015 at 06:53 PM.
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07-08-2015 , 06:54 PM
to get it allin with a set (on a nunflush or straight board) is standard and losing to a better set sucks but **** happens.

i just write a note and hand is forgotten for the time (until review after playing).

getting it allin with AA pre, im happy. losing it can happen. jsut remember that even AA vs a random hand, you have "only" 85% NOT 100%.
i mark the player and might try to play more hands with him

losing 3 Stacks to AA. it depends. if u had a big hand preflop and couldnt fold then ran into AA...well, without more info i dont know if its bad luck or if you just couldnt fold your hand and thus it was bad play.

running into AA vs superaggro or fishy opponents is unlucky. but against many nits it becomes obvious when then have a huge hand and if you never respect them.....

i assume u play NL 2, and the multitabling nits there are much more likely to have AA when they 3/4 bet PF then not.
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07-08-2015 , 07:05 PM
I reviewed AA hands, indeed I've made mistakes in 2 out of 3 hands thinking V is looser than he actually was. First is a QQ shove pre, then I guess I was already tilting and tried to bulldoze villain on the flop with a pocket overpair. Thanks for response.

Edit, I've checked again, QQ shove was vs an aggro fish :/

SB: 99 BB (VPIP: 81.82, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)

Second time was AQ with pair on Q vs a loose player

Spoiler:
PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 118 BB (VPIP: 31.79, PFR: 25.83, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 152)
MP: 115 BB (VPIP: 25.68, PFR: 17.57, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 74)
CO: 73 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 35.71, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 46)
BTN: 43.5 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
SB: 252 BB (VPIP: 19.78, PFR: 13.19, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 94)
Hero (BB): 183 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A Q

fold, MP raises to 4 BB, CO raises to 12 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 11 BB, MP calls 8 BB

Flop: (36.5 BB, 3 players) Q 9 4
Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets 61 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 61 BB, fold

Last edited by alexmjk; 07-08-2015 at 07:28 PM.
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07-08-2015 , 08:50 PM
The hand w/ AQ is one you can easily get away from preflop. You are facing a raise and a 3-bet, you don't close the action (this is something beginners don't pay enough attention to - if you call a 3-bet and the original raiser is still to act, what do you do when he shoves?), and you are going to be out of position the rest of the way. You have a hand that is good, but is dominated by the legitimate hands that 3-bet. Practice saying "AQ just isn't that good in this spot" and you won't have to worry about what to do when you flop top pair. Once you flopped TPTK you really can't be folding, and now you are screwed.
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07-08-2015 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by alexmjk
I don't see a streak of bad luck as a problem to solve, and I'm emotionally stable enough to get over it. My question is - in what way do you deal with it ?

What do you say to yourself after a big and seemingly undeserved loss ? Why do you continue to play after ?
A "streak" can't really exist in present tense. That streak, or exact period of time, that you were unlucky, didn't exist in my mind, just yours. And it only exists in your mind because you're focused on it.

You used the term "undeserved," which I think is a problematic way of thinking that we're all guilty of at some point. Nobody deserves to win. Even the most brilliant poker players are not entitled to win just because "my opponent was a fish" or AA is heavy favorite or xyz reasoning we come up with.

Nobody likes losing, obviously. But you can't be too results-oriented. All we can do is get money in when we're a statistical favorite, and get out when we're not. Do this long enough, and you'll profit.
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07-08-2015 , 09:56 PM
You play long enough to get used to it or quit. The only thing certain about poker is that no matter how bad or long a downswing you're on, you will eventually have a longer and/or worse one in the future.
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07-09-2015 , 01:26 AM
Old proverb: this too shall pass.

This is applicable both to downswings and when you're running hot, it's worth remembering in either circumstance.

Of course, if you're not beating the games, it won't pass.
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07-09-2015 , 04:22 AM
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You play long enough to get used to it or quit. The only thing certain about poker is that no matter how bad or long a downswing you're on, you will eventually have a longer and/or worse one in the future.
op read this ten times - that way you will remember it forever.
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07-09-2015 , 04:23 AM
Well, I adjusted by figuring that I need way more spots to profit from, so I opened my range from various positions, even protected blinds light / superlight. Then I was bleeding more money and couldn't adjust to the messier and messier spots that I was entering. But slowly I learned more and more how to assign better ranges to villains, how to get very thin value, when and at what amount to bluff, how to call loose button openers superlight OTR etc etc. Then I excluded the hands I just couldn't play properly and kinda constructed my game. It still couldn't get me through small stakes though (Not playing currently, looking to start again and go zero to hero by doing some, well big adjustments I hadn't done in the previous times, don't hear anything about the games are tougher, there are tons of people doing terrible things all the time and remember, you can adjust to anything, if the current field overfolds atm, you should add more bluffs, if it overcalls, it's valuetown time).
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07-09-2015 , 04:40 AM
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I don't see a streak of bad luck as a problem to solve, and I'm emotionally stable enough to get over it.
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I don't know how to react to a bad beat.
huh?

and then u go on to tell all your bad beat stories in excruciating detail. sounds like you are unable to get over it.

how do u react to it? just...don't care. don't tell bad beat stories. stop starting threads on it. stop caring the way nobody else cares
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07-09-2015 , 09:01 AM
I've been doing nothing past several days but grinding, then I sit down to play the same routine, even a bit better as I learn - and all the work just disappears in several hours - poof! Every draw I complete is either folded to or is outdrawn, KK goes vs KK and I lose to a completed flush, the yellow / green line gap has increased to another two buy-ins just in past 3 hours.

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You play long enough to get used to it or quit.
Why didn't you quit ?

Last edited by alexmjk; 07-09-2015 at 09:12 AM.
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07-09-2015 , 09:12 AM
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I don't see a streak of bad luck as a problem to solve, and I'm emotionally stable enough to get over it.
No you don't. Otherwise this thread wouldn't exist and the post above me just reeks with "I run so bad feel sorry for me".

To answer the question is I haven't really got over it. I think I handle getting sucked out on alot better now than before but what really makes me slap myself is when I level myself and make a horrible calldown.
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07-09-2015 , 09:30 AM
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No you don't. Otherwise this thread wouldn't exist and the post above me just reeks with "I run so bad feel sorry for me".
I have been pushing the yellow / green line difference talk over several posts now, because I was told it's a reliable variance adjustor. The gap has been getting wider over 30k hands now, it strongly resembles a steady trend to me. I can handle a downswing IMO, but this is the first one for me that seemingly has no end. So yeah, in a sense i want you to feel sorry for me and tell me why I should continue to play anyway, assuming my decisions are generally ev+.
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07-09-2015 , 09:34 AM
and if it makes u feel any better, it's probably more to do with your bad play than bad luck
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07-09-2015 , 11:27 AM
Ok, I'll suck it up and read something, maybe reduce # of tables.
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07-09-2015 , 11:45 AM
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Ok, I'll suck it up and read something, maybe reduce # of tables.
u go girl!
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07-10-2015 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by alexmjk
I've been doing nothing past several days but grinding, then I sit down to play the same routine, even a bit better as I learn - and all the work just disappears in several hours - poof! Every draw I complete is either folded to or is outdrawn, KK goes vs KK and I lose to a completed flush, the yellow / green line gap has increased to another two buy-ins just in past 3 hours.

Why didn't you quit ?
That is a good question. It doesn't have a simple answer.

The first part is that I have an addictive attraction to gambling. At the same time, I'm logical enough to want to play a game where I have a chance to be a long term winner player. If it wasn't poker, I'd be playing video poker or counting cards at blackjack.

The second part is that I was never gambling a significant part of my wealth. Even if I lost, it would have zero effect on my life or my family's.

Third, I fit the profile of a winning poker player on the Myer-Briggs personality test. I was comfortable with knowing I was playing correctly even when I saw people winning in a session playing a different way.

Finally, Dusty Schmidt (Leatherass) admits that if he wasn't lucky to get started, he would have never made the nose bleeds. Someone who runs bad is never going to stick with poker. I never ran really bad getting started.
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07-10-2015 , 03:07 AM
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I can handle a downswing IMO, but this is the first one for me that seemingly has no end. So yeah, in a sense i want you to feel sorry for me and tell me why I should continue to play anyway, assuming my decisions are generally ev+.
All downswings that last for more than a couple of sessions seemingly have no end. And then things get better for a while. And then you have another downswing that's even worse than the previous one. And then you go through the whole process again. Poker is absolutely brutal at times. I've lost count of how many times I've written "Worst downswing ever" in my journal. It's like a running joke, and once you've got a few hundred thousand hands under your belt, those "epic downswings" hardly even show up on your graph. They just felt awful at the time.
I think I've run below EV on every site I've played. I moan about it sometimes, and I laugh about it sometimes, but there's nothing I can do to change my luck. If a downswing is affecting me mentally (especially if it's affecting the way I play) then I take a break to clear my head. Obsessing over your EV line (like I used to) isn't conducive to good play. If the downswing wasn't affecting you, then this thread probably wouldn't exist, so you probably need to take some time off to recharge your batteries as it were.
FWIW, every time I've taken more than a week off, I completely crushed the game on my return, but maybe that was just luck.
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07-10-2015 , 01:16 PM
Seriously how bad can be bad. Are there topics on unluckiest streaks ever?
I am not new to poker and had unlucky all-in streaks before. Maximum 20 buyins for more the 50000 hands.
But... Now in one small room for 14000 hands running 48 buyns under EV And continue to lose again and again.
Started to think either something wrong with RNG in room or software calculating EV line.
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07-11-2015 , 08:33 AM
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Seriously how bad can be bad. Are there topics on unluckiest streaks ever?
I am not new to poker and had unlucky all-in streaks before. Maximum 20 buyins for more the 50000 hands.
But... Now in one small room for 14000 hands running 48 buyns under EV And continue to lose again and again.
Started to think either something wrong with RNG in room or software calculating EV line.
There was a guy on 2+2 that lost 100 buy ins and eventually came back. What eventually knocked him out of poker permanently started with finishing 7th in a WSOP event. He decided to stop playing cash and move to tournaments. He was completely out of poker 18 months later.
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07-11-2015 , 01:51 PM
Cut tables from 8 to 4, running 27BB over 2k hands. Like a 180 turn, feels a bit crazy.
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07-11-2015 , 02:41 PM
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running 27BB over 2k
You don't understand NLHE variance yet. You might think you do but you don't, or you would not post this lol sample size nonsense.

Properly understanding variance and then applying it to correct bankroll management are the first, and biggest steps, to handling all the variance cr@p that will come your way.

Conversely, not understanding it, means you will forever be making threads like this.
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07-11-2015 , 03:29 PM
I never claimed I understand the variance, and yeah that's why I created this thread on "beginners questions" board. I don't think you began to understand it the day you started playing poker either.
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07-11-2015 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Frozen_Starlight

To answer the question is I haven't really got over it. I think I handle getting sucked out on alot better now than before but what really makes me slap myself is when I level myself and make a horrible calldown.
Yeah this is what bothers me too. The preflop all-ins are just like whatever.
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