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08-06-2013 , 04:42 AM
@SH Maby it's a good idea to look into bet sizing, it's something I did recently and really changed my game. Every hand you post you bet like 1/2 pot every time almost every street

This one can help maby

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...-value-325157/

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Originally Posted by Dunna100
Agree with this. Was going to PM you actually but internet has been down until about an hour ago. In particular when we've played I've noticed your ft3b is very high. Makes you very easy to play against tbh, especially IP.

I'd say you're also playing too may hands in BB, but depends how confident you are OOP. You also may be a touch loose in EP and MP, but again depends on your style and postflop skills. From what I've seen of 25nl the table often has one or two LAGs so opening those %s may not be profitable, especially given you fold to every 3bet. Obv your w$sd stat is a bit low too (over 50% is the benchmark I believe) so maybe some better decision making needed there or even on previous streets so you don't get in such sticky spots.

Just my 2c
Thanks mate, my W$SD is idd a bit low but could also be the result of bad run, but will definitely look into that

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Originally Posted by gamma001
@ roszz

-Like has been said your FT3b is far far too high. Your leaking a massive amount of money from it. I had the same problem not to long ago. I fixed it by working out all my standard ranges in stove(opening,call 3bt IP, call 3bet OOP, 3bet and 4bet ranges) and taking a screenshot of it. Now I have them in flopzilla but its same diff. Make sure as a standard you aren't folding any more than 66% of your range to a 3bet.
A good side effect of this is it helps you get a clearer visualization of your range which is really benificial.

-Your MP opening range is a tad wide id say. Look through HEM and see what hands your losing with and cut them out.

-Flop and turn Cbet is nice and tight good work.

-Flop raise Cbet is too low. Look for spot to raise cbet IP(especially when deep) as a bluff.

-3bet on the button seems a bit low relative to your 3bet stat. Look for more spots to 3bet OTB vs MP and CO openers.
Thank you very much for your post. I will work on my calling 3bet ranges and study more on the subject. I also had the feeling that my 4bet bluffs weren't working at all, so I just stopped doing them. I sometimes try to find LAG spots and raise cbets OTF but often when I post them I get comments to not spew and try too hard and bluff etc. Any advice on good reads regarding to raise cbets?
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08-06-2013 , 05:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roszzz
@SH Maby it's a good idea to look into bet sizing, it's something I did recently and really changed my game. Every hand you post you bet like 1/2 pot every time almost every street
Yeah, I thought that was the idea.
You don't want to give betsizing tells by betting small with weak hands and large with strong hands (I see this happen every session).
Harrington has his method of looking at the second hand on his watch to decide whether to 1/2 or 3/4 pot it, but I stick to the 1/2 or 3/4 pot buttons in the client.
A standard value bet might be 3/4 on flop, 1/2 on turn.

I have recently been learning about betsizing for thin value - betting small enough with weakish hands that villains will call with worse.
But that seems super exploitable.
But maybe those villains won't notice?
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08-06-2013 , 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Studebaker Hawk
Yeah, I thought that was the idea.
You don't want to give betsizing tells by betting small with weak hands and large with strong hands (I see this happen every session).
Harrington has his method of looking at the second hand on his watch to decide whether to 1/2 or 3/4 pot it, but I stick to the 1/2 or 3/4 pot buttons in the client.
A standard value bet might be 3/4 on flop, 1/2 on turn.

I have recently been learning about betsizing for thin value - betting small enough with weakish hands that villains will call with worse.
But that seems super exploitable.
But maybe those villains won't notice?
If you're against someone who notices (and you'll probably have to find this out by hand reading, as these people will fold), take a note and mix up your bet sizes against them, but honestly, 99% of people at 5NL won't notice. If someone does notice, that's when the fun starts and you can start ****ing around with river bet sizing (bluffing small from time to time, overbetting for thin value etc etc - note the latter needs villain to have an acute understanding of polarised ranges, and it's difficult to find out whether villain is calling down because you're polarised and they think your value component isn't large enough to justify a fold, or if they're just a calling station).

Post (or send to me) the next 10 or 11 spots where you either did or might've been able to value bet the river, and we can discuss whether there could've been a value bet and what the best sizing is.
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08-06-2013 , 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunna100
H2, don't bet turn, no value unless it's as a bluff
You're in IP, you could check it down also to see a free card. You're right too Dunna, on hindsight, there's not much value because we have only second pair + 2nd nut draw and he's not going anywhere being that tight with Ax. Still very villain dependent though
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08-06-2013 , 07:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunna100
H2, don't bet turn, no value unless it's as a bluff
Id go with a check OTF. Its not like people often call you with 3rd pair and you don't beat many Qx hands. FD's aren't a large part of his range either.
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08-06-2013 , 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Roszzz
I sometimes try to find LAG spots and raise cbets OTF but often when I post them I get comments to not spew and try too hard and bluff etc. Any advice on good reads regarding to raise cbets?
The most important thing to think about is equity and board texture. You don't want to bluff XR 22 on K73r because 1. you don't rep anything and 2. You have no equity if called.

A better situation would be if you called OOP the flop was T96ss and you had 77. Sometimes I might XC but if I thought I didn't have enough equity I might XR. Its a good spot to XR because we rep a lot of value and semibluff combos and we have equity if called.

Most likely what you were doing in the hands you posted was just raising because "this guy is aggro". That's wrong. What you should be thinking is this guy cbets a lot. I can call wider but also raise wider as a bluff at the bottom of my range.

Also a good stat to have is "fold to flop cbet raise". It takes a while to converge but its really helpful when ya know someone is pretty fit or fold towards raises.

Hope that helps
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08-06-2013 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by TDA2
If you're against someone who notices (and you'll probably have to find this out by hand reading, as these people will fold), take a note and mix up your bet sizes against them, but honestly, 99% of people at 5NL won't notice.
Exactly my thoughts.
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08-06-2013 , 07:28 AM
Yeah, listen to gamma. You shouldn't be blindly raising flops without considering which parts of your range you're doing it with. I'm pretty aggro and I basically never bluff without equity apart from river spots.
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08-06-2013 , 07:39 AM
With second pair we do have some SD value, Villain's a TAG though, what's your plan if he does bet turn after checking flop?
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08-06-2013 , 07:44 AM
I don't blindly raise flops, If I raise I like to choose wet flops and take note to cbet flop% of villain, but if I do I have to admit I don't really think of how much equity I have, I just do it because I hope to see a fold. I can look into my database for some hands but I rarely do it

My flop vs Raise fold % (Is this the right one?) is 64,2%
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08-06-2013 , 07:52 AM
Some flop raise/bluff hands

Villain 26/23 after 45 hands, tried to continue bluf OTT as 6 seems best possible card

    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    Hero (CO): $25.82 (103.3 bb)
    BTN: $25.35 (101.4 bb)
    SB: $13 (52 bb)
    BB: $38.49 (154 bb)
    UTG: $20.78 (83.1 bb)
    MP: $25 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q A
    UTG raises to $0.75, MP folds, Hero calls $0.75, 3 folds

    Flop: ($1.85) T 7 8 (2 players)
    UTG bets $1, Hero raises to $3, UTG calls $2

    Turn: ($7.85) 6 (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $5.25, UTG raises to $17.03 and is all-in, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $18.35 pot ($0.83 rake)
    Final Board: T 7 8 6
    Hero mucked Q A and lost (-$9 net)
    UTG mucked and won $17.52 ($8.52 net)


    Villain is 18/14 after 79 hands and cbets flop 80%

      Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      CO: $26.03 (104.1 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $25.98 (103.9 bb)
      SB: $25 (100 bb)
      BB: $26.41 (105.6 bb)
      MP: $25 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q K
      MP raises to $0.75, CO folds, Hero calls $0.75, 2 folds

      Flop: ($1.85) 2 8 J (2 players)
      MP bets $1.50, Hero raises to $4, MP folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: $4.85 pot ($0.22 rake)
      Final Board: 2 8 J
      Hero mucked Q K and won $4.63 ($2.38 net)
      MP mucked and lost (-$2.25 net)


      Villain is 36/28 after 78 hands, cbets all flops

        Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

        CO: $14.27 (57.1 bb)
        BTN: $30.45 (121.8 bb)
        SB: $25 (100 bb)
        BB: $19 (76 bb)
        UTG: $19.30 (77.2 bb)
        Hero (MP): $43.66 (174.6 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is MP with A J
        UTG raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, 4 folds

        Flop: ($1.85) 7 T 8 (2 players)
        UTG bets $1, Hero raises to $3, UTG folds

        Spoiler:
        Results: $3.85 pot ($0.17 rake)
        Final Board: 7 T 8
        UTG mucked and lost (-$1.75 net)
        Hero mucked A J and won $3.68 ($1.93 net)


        Villain 26/22 after 500 hands, cbets 83% flop

          Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

          SB: $28.01 (112 bb)
          BB: $26.99 (108 bb)
          CO: $39.61 (158.4 bb)
          Hero (BTN): $25 (100 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BTN with A 9
          CO raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, 2 folds

          Flop: ($1.85) 4 6 2 (2 players)
          CO bets $1.25, Hero raises to $4, CO folds

          Spoiler:
          Results: $4.35 pot ($0.20 rake)
          Final Board: 4 6 2
          CO mucked and lost (-$2 net)
          Hero mucked A 9 and won $4.15 ($2.15 net)


          Raising with some equity, I'm doing it right, right? villain 30/27 after 65 hands

            Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

            SB: $67.21 (268.8 bb)
            BB: $25 (100 bb)
            MP: $27.27 (109.1 bb)
            CO: $25 (100 bb)
            Hero (BTN): $26 (104 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8 8
            MP raises to $0.75, CO folds, Hero calls $0.75, 2 folds

            Flop: ($1.85) J 9 Q (2 players)
            MP bets $1, Hero raises to $3, MP folds

            Spoiler:
            Results: $3.85 pot ($0.17 rake)
            Final Board: J 9 Q
            MP mucked and lost (-$1.75 net)
            Hero mucked 8 8 and won $3.68 ($1.93 net)
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            08-06-2013 , 08:16 AM
            H1: i'd much prefer doing this with the A or Q of diamonds. Much more potential to barrel profitably.
            H2: XF, you have basically zero equity.
            H3: I think since you IP you can just call here. Anything like bigger Ax you can just get him to fold on a later street. The same for 22-66. your probably not getting him to fold JJ+ ever since he isn't full stacked.
            H4: I don't mind this one but again calling could still be profitable since you beat most of his 83% cbet range.
            H5: yeah sure that is fine by me since ya can't call and you fold out a lot of V's hands with equity.
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            08-06-2013 , 09:27 AM
            None of those are appalling, but you've got to consider how much of your range you're raising if you raise with these hands.
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            08-06-2013 , 11:50 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by Dunna100
              Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #18735851

              BTN: $25 (100 bb)
              SB: $25.32 (101.3 bb)
              BB: $12.83 (51.3 bb)
              UTG: $28.65 (114.6 bb)
              Hero (MP): $26.27 (105.1 bb)
              CO: $25 (100 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is MP with J J
              UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO folds, BTN raises to $2.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.75

              Flop: ($5.35) 3 5 4 (2 players)
              Hero checks, BTN checks

              Turn: ($5.35) 2 (2 players)





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              I'm trying to find some stuff on reacting to 3bets but I'm failing a bit in searching. Best I can find is that you want to call with value range IP, maby trowing in AA in certain cituations, but a 4bet/fold style OOP seems a universal idea of the most +EV strategy. So my strategy against unkowns is 4bet QQ+,AK and fold the rest of my opening range OOP, unless I got a good read that villain is either 3betting a wider range so I can throw in some 4bet bluffs with Ax,Kx hands or villain is 3betting a tighter range so I have to take away QQ and AK from the 4betting range
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              08-06-2013 , 12:13 PM
              Running somewhat good, started month with €380, now I'm at €631 and €34 more within 20 hands as I've almost cleared part of my bonus. It's kind of silly that I can't post any graphs but there's no HH for fast forward on my site.

              I had an interesting hand to post (write it down) but thanks to no HH, gl me remembering what the hand was about. I wish good luck to all you guys and hope you're crushing it like I am (?) even though I don't even think I'm running that great, just playing pretty well. (WOW, huge ego much?)
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              08-06-2013 , 12:42 PM
              ul?

              PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
              Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

              UTG: $11.25 (VPIP: 4.55, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
              MP: $46.27 (VPIP: 28.00, PFR: 24.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 27)
              CO: $17.88 (VPIP: 62.50, PFR: 37.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
              BTN: $20.59 (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
              SB: $26.58 (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 24.73, 3Bet Preflop: 16.05, Hands: 186)
              Hero (BB): $30.54

              SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10, 6 players post ante of $0.02

              Pre Flop: (pot: $0.27) Hero has K Q

              fold, fold, CO raises to $0.35, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.25

              Flop: ($0.87, 2 players) 2 2 A
              Hero checks, CO checks

              Turn: ($0.87, 2 players) Q
              Hero bets $0.50, CO calls $0.50

              River: ($1.87, 2 players) 7
              Hero bets $0.70, CO calls $0.70

              Spoiler:
              Hero shows K Q (Two Pair, Queens and Twos) (Pre 42%, Flop 6%, Turn 5%)
              CO shows A 4 (Two Pair, Aces and Twos) (Pre 58%, Flop 94%, Turn 95%)
              CO wins $3.12
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              08-06-2013 , 02:12 PM
              yea wp^^

              Quote:
              Originally Posted by Roszzz
              I'm trying to find some stuff on reacting to 3bets but I'm failing a bit in searching. Best I can find is that you want to call with value range IP, maby trowing in AA in certain cituations, but a 4bet/fold style OOP seems a universal idea of the most +EV strategy. So my strategy against unkowns is 4bet QQ+,AK and fold the rest of my opening range OOP, unless I got a good read that villain is either 3betting a wider range so I can throw in some 4bet bluffs with Ax,Kx hands or villain is 3betting a tighter range so I have to take away QQ and AK from the 4betting range
              Against aggressive opponents who use position well, who don't let you realize your equity and don't have any major postflop leaks, 4bet or folding OOP is the best strategy.

              Against most people who you have an edge over I think you can profitably call OOP with big pairs and strong suited broadways.

              For people who you have an edge over and doesn't call many 4bets IP, 4bet a polarized range and flat the middle OOP.

              For poeple who call a lot of 4bet IP, 4bet a linear range.

              For good regs who you can't call OOP against 4bet a linear range.

              Only 4betting QQ+, AK (2.3%) means that your widest range that you can open without being auto profited against by 3bets is only ~7%. So you have to come up with a strategy that allows you to defend more often. (Be it not opening when there is an aggressive 3bettor or 4betting more often).
              The hardest place to do this is the CO, where you will be opening close to 30% range, and will have to a least defend 10% range. (which is why 3betting Button V CO is so profitable.)
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              08-06-2013 , 02:51 PM
              Nope, still not running well. -3.5BI session (-1.5BI EV). I'll mix the FFS hands (not the dumb **** like KK<AK, KK<AA, AA=AA, AK<AA, but just range stuff) in with the interesting ones. Line check on any and all would be appreciated.

              HAAAAAAND SPAAAAAAAAAAM

              1) This guy isn't good enough to vbet 9x here so easy call, but one a lot would miss out on.

              PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
              Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

              Hero (BTN): $25.92
              SB: $36.81 (VPIP: 23.75, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 8.82, Hands: 81)
              BB: $22.49 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
              UTG: $52.06 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 4)
              MP: $25.00 (VPIP: 19.74, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 76)
              CO: $33.98 (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 72)

              SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

              Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A 5

              UTG raises to $0.50, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.75, fold, fold, UTG calls $1.25

              Flop: ($3.85, 2 players) 5 4 9
              UTG checks, Hero checks

              Turn: ($3.85, 2 players) 2
              UTG bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

              River: ($6.85, 2 players) J
              UTG bets $4.25, Hero calls $4.25

              Spoiler:
              UTG shows T Q (High Card, Queen) (Pre 43%, Flop 25%, Turn 14%)
              Hero shows A 5 (One Pair, Fives) (Pre 57%, Flop 75%, Turn 86%)
              Hero wins $14.66


              2) River sizing?

              PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
              Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

              BTN: $23.40 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
              SB: $17.43 (VPIP: 31.82, PFR: 19.05, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 22)
              BB: $19.82 (VPIP: 20.93, PFR: 11.63, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 45)
              UTG: $40.02 (VPIP: 14.93, PFR: 11.19, 3Bet Preflop: 4.08, Hands: 138)
              MP: $25.71 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
              Hero (CO): $33.39

              SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

              Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 8 A

              fold, MP calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.00, fold, fold, BB calls $0.75, MP calls $0.75

              Flop: ($3.10, 3 players) 7 Q 8
              BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $1.95, fold, MP calls $1.95

              Turn: ($7.00, 2 players) A
              MP checks, Hero bets $4.40, MP calls $4.40

              River: ($15.80, 2 players) 5
              MP checks, Hero bets $8.10, MP calls $8.10

              Spoiler:
              Hero shows 8 A (Two Pair, Aces and Eights) (Pre 70%, Flop 30%, Turn 95%)
              MP mucks 8 7 (Two Pair, Eights and Sevens) (Pre 30%, Flop 70%, Turn 5%)
              Hero wins $30.56


              3) FFS moment #1.

              PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
              Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

              BTN: $25.88 (VPIP: 30.65, PFR: 20.97, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 63)
              Hero (SB): $50.42
              BB: $25.39 (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 72)
              UTG: $22.77 (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
              MP: $25.50 (VPIP: 20.98, PFR: 16.43, 3Bet Preflop: 8.85, Hands: 290)
              CO: $12.49 (VPIP: 23.44, PFR: 18.40, 3Bet Preflop: 10.29, Hands: 343)

              Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

              Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 5 3

              fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.50

              Flop: ($1.50, 2 players) Q Q T
              Hero bets $0.94, BB calls $0.94

              Turn: ($3.38, 2 players) 8
              Hero bets $2.13, BB calls $2.13

              River: ($7.64, 2 players) 8
              Hero checks, BB bets $5.25, fold

              Spoiler:
              BB wins $7.30


              4) What's our jamming range here, given that UTG open range is AT+, KQ, KJs, QJs, JTs, T9s, AA-22?

              PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
              Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

              BTN: $102.57 (VPIP: 7.89, PFR: 6.32, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 191)
              SB: $25.00 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 15.56, 3Bet Preflop: 9.68, Hands: 139)
              BB: $31.77 (VPIP: 13.16, PFR: 13.16, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
              Hero (UTG): $30.83
              MP: $15.00 (VPIP: 15.85, PFR: 14.63, 3Bet Preflop: 11.54, Hands: 86)
              CO: $39.13 (VPIP: 14.63, PFR: 9.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 42)

              SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

              Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has

              Hero raises to $0.87, MP raises to $2.25, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

              Spoiler:
              MP wins $2.09


              5) Guy had c/r'd 4/9 flops, so flop and turn seem fairly standard despite the fact that he can have a bunch of legit value hands here. I'm not sure if he's capable of jamming the river with air though.

              PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
              Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

              Hero (BTN): $26.51
              SB: $49.32 (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
              BB: $92.28 (VPIP: 24.66, PFR: 19.59, 3Bet Preflop: 10.17, Hands: 303)
              UTG: $5.30 (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
              MP: $24.65 (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 10)
              CO: $17.45 (VPIP: 15.85, PFR: 14.63, 3Bet Preflop: 11.54, Hands: 86)

              SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

              Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has K 5

              fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.62, fold, BB calls $0.37

              Flop: ($1.34, 2 players) K Q T
              BB checks, Hero bets $0.84, BB raises to $3.00, Hero calls $2.16

              Turn: ($7.34, 2 players) 2
              BB bets $5.25, Hero calls $5.25

              River: ($17.84, 2 players) 8
              BB bets $83.41 and is all-in, fold

              Spoiler:
              BB wins $17.04


              6) River line? I think villain can have stuff like AK and flushes here as well as 22 and some air, so I thought a c/r would maximise in case he decided to make a bad bluff, plus I get more from his value hands in general.

              PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
              Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

              BTN: $25.00 (VPIP: 22.27, PFR: 17.73, 3Bet Preflop: 4.49, Hands: 228)
              SB: $42.09 (VPIP: 37.78, PFR: 26.67, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 45)
              BB: $34.22 (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 13.85, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 67)
              Hero (UTG): $25.51
              MP: $26.81 (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 23.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
              CO: $20.89 (VPIP: 16.98, PFR: 15.65, 3Bet Preflop: 8.63, Hands: 384)

              SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

              Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 7 7

              Hero raises to $0.87, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.87, fold, fold

              Flop: ($2.09, 2 players) 2 2 K
              Hero bets $1.32, BTN raises to $3.25, Hero calls $1.93

              Turn: ($8.59, 2 players) Q
              Hero checks, BTN checks

              River: ($8.59, 2 players) 7
              Hero checks, BTN checks

              Spoiler:
              Hero shows 7 7 (Full House, Sevens full of Twos) (Pre 81%, Flop 88%, Turn 77%)
              BTN mucks 3 3 (Two Pair, Threes and Twos) (Pre 19%, Flop 12%, Turn 23%)
              Hero wins $8.20


              7) FFS moment #2.

              PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
              Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

              BTN: $8.42 (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
              SB: $48.64 (VPIP: 21.92, PFR: 17.86, 3Bet Preflop: 7.12, Hands: 1,033)
              Hero (BB): $50.52
              UTG: $25.00 (VPIP: 28.16, PFR: 21.36, 3Bet Preflop: 5.13, Hands: 108)
              MP: $7.04 (VPIP: 52.00, PFR: 21.62, 3Bet Preflop: 6.06, Hands: 77)
              CO: $76.18 (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 5)

              SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

              Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A K

              fold, fold, CO calls $0.25, fold, SB raises to $1.00, Hero raises to $3.00, CO calls $2.75, fold

              Flop: ($7.00, 2 players) 9 8 9
              Hero bets $3.50, CO raises to $7.00, fold

              Spoiler:
              CO wins $13.37


              8) FFS moment #3. I think turning my hand into a bluff on the river is best because they should fold their entire ranges.

              PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
              Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

              BTN: $25.86 (VPIP: 27.34, PFR: 23.44, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 130)
              SB: $18.20 (VPIP: 45.45, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
              BB: $22.02 (VPIP: 20.93, PFR: 11.63, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 45)
              UTG: $38.21 (VPIP: 28.30, PFR: 26.42, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 54)
              MP: $25.67 (VPIP: 23.45, PFR: 18.60, 3Bet Preflop: 11.95, Hands: 383)
              Hero (CO): $27.50

              SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

              Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 8 8

              fold, MP raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, fold, fold, BB calls $0.50

              Flop: ($2.35, 3 players) 2 5 6
              BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $1.47, BB calls $1.47, MP calls $1.47

              Turn: ($6.76, 3 players) 7
              BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks

              River: ($6.76, 3 players) A
              BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $3.75, fold, MP calls $3.75

              Spoiler:
              Hero shows 8 8 (One Pair, Eights) (Pre 67%, Flop 71%, Turn 93%)
              MP shows A 3 (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 33%, Flop 29%, Turn 7%)
              MP wins $13.62


              9) FFS moment #4. Guy was 3betting 40% and had cbet all streets at every opportunity.

              PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
              Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

              BTN: $27.63 (VPIP: 36.17, PFR: 34.04, 3Bet Preflop: 41.18, Hands: 48)
              SB: $43.99 (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
              BB: $81.40 (VPIP: 30.16, PFR: 26.98, 3Bet Preflop: 13.64, Hands: 65)
              Hero (UTG): $98.61
              MP: $23.63 (VPIP: 38.10, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
              CO: $32.35 (VPIP: 19.82, PFR: 16.03, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 811)

              SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

              Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has J A

              Hero raises to $0.87, fold, fold, BTN raises to $1.75, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.88

              Flop: ($3.85, 2 players) T 9 A
              Hero checks, BTN bets $2.25, Hero calls $2.25

              Turn: ($8.35, 2 players) 2
              Hero checks, BTN bets $6.75, Hero calls $6.75

              River: ($21.85, 2 players) Q
              Hero checks, BTN bets $16.88 and is all-in, Hero calls $16.88

              Spoiler:
              BTN shows 9 A (Two Pair, Aces and Nines) (Pre 26%, Flop 73%, Turn 86%)
              Hero shows J A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 74%, Flop 27%, Turn 14%)
              BTN wins $53.61


              10) I think calling > raising (my mistake), but we can't fold this ever can we?

              PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
              Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

              BTN: $36.47 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 20.59, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 69)
              SB: $28.37 (VPIP: 21.36, PFR: 10.68, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 104)
              Hero (BB): $43.01
              UTG: $12.82 (VPIP: 39.76, PFR: 18.07, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 83)
              MP: $27.19 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
              CO: $28.35 (VPIP: 14.41, PFR: 9.01, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 111)

              SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

              Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has J J

              UTG raises to $0.50, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2.00, UTG calls $1.50

              Flop: ($4.10, 2 players) Q Q 7
              Hero bets $2.15, UTG raises to $4.30, Hero raises to $18.00, UTG calls $6.52 and is all-in

              Turn: ($25.74, 2 players) T

              River: ($25.74, 2 players) K

              Spoiler:
              Hero shows J J (Two Pair, Queens and Jacks) (Pre 67%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
              UTG shows Q J (Three of a Kind, Queens) (Pre 33%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
              UTG wins $24.58


              11) I rarely don't have a made hand when I DB MW but this was just so perfect.

              PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
              Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

              BTN: $33.89 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 18.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 72)
              SB: $39.71 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 27)
              BB: $20.30 (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
              UTG: $90.59 (VPIP: 7.89, PFR: 6.32, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 191)
              MP: $26.99 (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 3)
              Hero (CO): $25.35

              SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

              Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has K J

              fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50

              Flop: ($3.00, 4 players) Q 6 7
              SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.88, BTN calls $1.88, fold, BB calls $1.88

              Turn: ($8.64, 3 players) A
              BB checks, Hero bets $4.53, fold, fold

              Spoiler:
              Hero wins $8.25


              12) FFS moment #5. Get to showdown - 'seriously, dude?'

              PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
              Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

              BTN: $17.19 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
              SB: $49.38 (VPIP: 16.48, PFR: 12.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 95)
              BB: $32.52 (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
              UTG: $12.05 (VPIP: 14.17, PFR: 10.24, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 129)
              Hero (MP): $77.54
              CO: $16.27 (VPIP: 41.67, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)

              SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

              Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A K

              fold, Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, fold, fold, BB calls $0.50

              Flop: ($2.35, 3 players) 7 J A
              BB checks, Hero bets $1.47, CO raises to $3.50, fold, Hero calls $2.03

              Turn: ($9.35, 2 players) 8
              Hero checks, CO checks

              River: ($9.35, 2 players) 5
              Hero checks, CO bets $2.75, Hero calls $2.75

              Spoiler:
              CO shows A 7 (Two Pair, Aces and Sevens) (Pre 26%, Flop 72%, Turn 80%)
              Hero mucks A K (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 74%, Flop 28%, Turn 20%)
              CO wins $14.18


              13) Seemed a good TB spot.

              PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
              Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

              BTN: $31.25 (VPIP: 16.13, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 222)
              SB: $77.16 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
              Hero (BB): $28.98
              UTG: $12.72 (VPIP: 24.39, PFR: 7.32, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 41)
              MP: $15.72 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
              CO: $57.51 (VPIP: 17.95, PFR: 10.26, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 40)

              SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

              Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has K A

              fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.25, SB calls $1.50

              Flop: ($4.50, 2 players) 3 J 2
              SB checks, Hero bets $2.36, SB calls $2.36

              Turn: ($9.22, 2 players) Q
              SB checks, Hero bets $4.84, SB calls $4.84

              River: ($18.90, 2 players) 6
              SB checks, Hero bets $9.92, fold

              Spoiler:
              Hero wins $18.05


              14) FFS moment #6.

              PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
              Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

              Hero (BTN): $69.52
              SB: $21.45 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 18.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 72)
              BB: $13.00 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 2)
              UTG: $32.10 (VPIP: 25.93, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 55)
              MP: $25.00 (VPIP: 17.24, PFR: 13.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 62)
              CO: $94.99 (VPIP: 27.22, PFR: 24.85, 3Bet Preflop: 10.45, Hands: 171)

              SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

              Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 9 7

              fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.62, fold, BB raises to $1.25, Hero calls $0.63

              Flop: ($2.60, 2 players) 4 9 Q
              BB checks, Hero checks

              Turn: ($2.60, 2 players) 7
              BB bets $0.75, Hero raises to $2.93, BB raises to $5.11, Hero raises to $47.50, BB calls $6.64 and is all-in

              River: ($26.10, 2 players) T

              Spoiler:
              BB shows Q Q (Three of a Kind, Queens) (Pre 83%, Flop 96%, Turn 100%)
              Hero shows 9 7 (Two Pair, Nines and Sevens) (Pre 17%, Flop 4%, Turn 0%)
              BB wins $24.93
              August Beginner's Bankroll Thread Quote
              08-06-2013 , 03:13 PM
              Thanks gamma for the post! Need to re-read it a few times

              @TDA I knew it was you scrolling all the way up through the hands

              H2 Think I wouldn't dare to bet on that flop in a 3way flop

              H8 What are your thoughts on betting OTT ?

              H10 Think folding is the best decision, with what worse hands could he be raising? Looks really strong to me
              EDIT: Didn't saw the flush draw he can have, I'm not really sure now

              H12 Why call flop raise?

              H14 Why call pre?
              August Beginner's Bankroll Thread Quote
              08-06-2013 , 04:55 PM
              H1 - You have 5 hands on UTG, how do you know if he's not good enough ?

              H2 - Seems like a calling station, he'd stay married to Qx etc, bet bigger otr.

              H5 - Really ****ty board even considering villain's stats, Folding>3bet>calling here imo

              H6 - Smallish bet to induce bluff ?

              H8 - Why do we bet river here ?

              H10 - A minreraise otf always makes me sick in 3b pots. Calling >Raising is the better option like you said.

              H14 - Dont like opening, really dont like calling the 3bet even more as villain has half stack limiting our options.
              August Beginner's Bankroll Thread Quote
              08-06-2013 , 05:02 PM
              TDA, I don't think your head is in a good place if you need to post this many hands
              August Beginner's Bankroll Thread Quote
              08-06-2013 , 10:57 PM
              TDA, my thoughts on some of these hands, for whatever it is worth:

              In H1, I'm not sure that 4-5 hands in is enough to know without doubt that your opponent doesn't have 9x.

              In H2, I'd be tempted to bet more along the lines of 2/3 of pot or 3/4 pot as (at least this hand) the villain has shown themselves to be a calling station so I'd move bigger. I recall you saying in a previous thread to bet 90% of the pot on the river if there is an ace and you have a pair of aces beat.

              H5, I don't know if I'm super-qualified to speak this about but calling a raise like that seems really thin, at best, given the structure of the board. I'm kind of confused with your play in this hand but I aim to play a very ABC type of style so please keep that in mind. Did the all-in bet on the river interfere with plans you had to raise a moderately-sized river bet?

              H10, I think is just a bad luck spot. I think regardless of the line you take all of the villain's money is going in either on the turn or by calling your re-raise. Can't see a fold on your part happening here if you went with a call instead of a raise.

              H14, I just don't think you're getting the implied odds to make this play profitable even without the 3bet, and I think it's less so with the 3bet call. Again, please keep in mind I do try to play a very ABC style of game and know that my winrate could be higher if I played more spots.
              August Beginner's Bankroll Thread Quote
              08-07-2013 , 01:14 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by dillchips
              PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
              Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

              UTG: $11.25 (VPIP: 4.55, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
              MP: $46.27 (VPIP: 28.00, PFR: 24.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 27)
              CO: $17.88 (VPIP: 62.50, PFR: 37.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
              BTN: $20.59 (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
              SB: $26.58 (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 24.73, 3Bet Preflop: 16.05, Hands: 186)
              Hero (BB): $30.54

              SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10, 6 players post ante of $0.02

              Pre Flop: (pot: $0.27) Hero has K Q

              fold, fold, CO raises to $0.35, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.25

              Flop: ($0.87, 2 players) 2 2 A
              Hero checks, CO checks

              Turn: ($0.87, 2 players) Q
              Hero bets $0.50, CO calls $0.50

              River: ($1.87, 2 players) 7
              Hero bets $0.70, CO calls $0.70

              Spoiler:
              Hero shows K Q (Two Pair, Queens and Twos) (Pre 42%, Flop 6%, Turn 5%)
              CO shows A 4 (Two Pair, Aces and Twos) (Pre 58%, Flop 94%, Turn 95%)
              CO wins $3.12
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by gamma001
              yea wp^^
              I'm a bit confused by this river bet. Unless you expect him to call with middle pocket pairs, there should to be more Ax than Qx in his range here (I've seen a lot of players with similar stats play weak aces like this), which makes valuebetting non-profitable. And there is no way we can get him off a better hand, which makes bluffing non-profitable. So what is that bet? Would you expect him to show up with 88-JJ here?
              August Beginner's Bankroll Thread Quote
              08-07-2013 , 02:23 AM
              ^ we beat his range of hands here most of the times, if he had Ax he would bet flop, and I would c/f flop. We also beat any Qx, unless he had AQ, which would most likely be betting flop or raising turn at least. Can't forget that villain is a fish and he would be very passive with his range here most of the times. If villain hits his 7 ball otr he will call here too most of the times.

              Only debatable thing about the hand imo is whether or not to 3b pre

              Btw, solid post by Gamma as always.

              Quote:
              Originally Posted by Dunna100
              TDA, I don't think your head is in a good place if you need to post this many hands
              +1. Take a small food/bathroom break (which is what I'd usually do) and come back and look at the hands.

              Last edited by dillchips; 08-07-2013 at 02:29 AM.
              August Beginner's Bankroll Thread Quote
              08-07-2013 , 03:39 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by quadas
              I'm a bit confused by this river bet. Unless you expect him to call with middle pocket pairs, there should to be more Ax than Qx in his range here (I've seen a lot of players with similar stats play weak aces like this), which makes valuebetting non-profitable. And there is no way we can get him off a better hand, which makes bluffing non-profitable. So what is that bet? Would you expect him to show up with 88-JJ here?
              We've only got 9 hands on villain so lets not jump to conclusions here.

              Our expectation would be that as pfr villain will cbet with TP+. You're right, some players will pot control with weak aces, although arguably more so ott and on a drier board.

              Villains love to call to at these levels so would expect our bets to be for value against worse Qx and stubborn underpairs. Throw it into stove and give villain a range and see where we are, but Ax is not a large part of his range imo played like this, and given we have no history or reads.

              Best thing we can do is take a note so we know he's maybe only cbetting TPGK+, so when he doesn't we can freely bet bet bet for value with our TP+
              August Beginner's Bankroll Thread Quote

                    
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