Thanks ASB, always good to hear other people's thought processes.

And thanks TDA. Just mega frustrating as I just keep swinging up and down (my graph looks like a chinese dragon since moving up!) and every time I think I'm getting somewhere a day like today happens. Plus the probs of being a rec player is I get most of my volume on sundays, so when you ain't running good, or playing good, then its kinda hard to quit when you just wanna play.

I know given villain's hand my 3 barrel was good (obv not if he's stationing me that much!) just sucks I keep running into the nuts today as well. Ah well! May just play some 10nl to get the mojo back and boost the BR a bit if I can

PF Wah? Anutha' fokkin CO stealing me blind? Fokkkit! Ive gota pair! Let's 3b the bustard!

OTF Uh? He cbet? U aint gonna s*hi*t*in me mate, dont givea rats arse abt the K ive gota pair

OTT Yeyeye ... U aint gonna scare me you stnkin thief: IVE GOTA PAIR!!!!

OTR hoho! U got balls hu? U tellin me uve gota bazooka in ur thieffely hand? Weel, guess what: IVE GOT A PAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Same villain, about 15 hands apart.

Justice is served

AK should be 4bet and any other K is purely showdown value. What do you expect to be called by if you raise. Not to mention that you can't have any semibluffs on this board.

fishtankz,
57s: why you folding a straight OTR? If your going to fold a straight then fold the turn.

what's his fold to 4b after 3b stat? I'd 4b or fold in these spots imo, versus people who always 3b, unless setting up a trap with them getting their hand in as an underdog. would love to hear how others would react vs high 3b when villain is OOP.

also, play 16nl and deep 16nl? they are pretty profitable from my experience at those stakes so far.

WTF at 4b or fold vs a resteal IP with AQo. Sorry Dill, but that's ****ing terrible. I'm definitely flatting more than I'm 4betting in that spot. If the BTN 3bet I'd consider 4b/f or 4b/c, sometimes flat OOP, sometimes just fold.

Yeah flatting AJo and possibly ATo too vs some opponents in the CO. I don't see why you would 4bet or fold when you dominate a lot of his range and your IP.

I dont expect to be called. If villain 4 bets / shoves I fold (as said).
If oppo calls Im still putting him on any pair 66-QQ most of the times, ATo+,A5s-AQs,QJs-T9s might still be in his range but with a lesser likelihood.

Admitting for a moment that villain is actually capable to think level 2 (What have I got?) which is the given of yr questions, the intention is to take the pot down right OTF without further hassles. there's a K on the board if he's got anything less than Kx he should know that he's beaten atm. Period.

If he calls, let's see what turn brings and what he does since I am IP. Might be getting the choice of a free river card.

This is too high level thinking for this villain. If he's capable of this complexity Ill take a note of it and avoid to kick him out of the hand without a very strong holding in the future.

Now, I am not saying that the following has any statistical "sounding" value, but
I play nano stakes ATM but screening my DB (over 35K hands a poor sample, I know). The SD loss it's entirely my mistake, villain 4bet/shoved on me and I called (haha exactly the opposite I said I would do, but that's exactly what the learning process is there for. In the other 3 instances villain folded to my raise and that's it. And again: what Im saying is simply this:
at 2NL looks like (so far, a tiny sample I know) folks got scared if a big card hits (A,K,Q) together with a smallish pair OTF and if they are not getting a piece of the flop, even when they try to represent something (see the filter) they fold.

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Yeh this hand: Was scared of the fish having Tx. But i would have to make assumptions, how often villain has 5x here, how often 2p or sets and often the Tx. It was kind of bad results oriented fold.

Why do you want to take the pot down right now, when you have the best hand the majority of the time, and it is likely to remain so ?

Think I took the wrong board to bluff Got this line from TDA's 3bet thing post but this board is too wet now I look at it again and I got punished ...

Thanks to a missclick in the lobby I got into a 60fpp round 1 sat to bigger $109 instead of the 235fpp Storm sat. 4 rounds later I was in the bigger $109 with no possibility to unreg. Pretty card dead and no cash though.

But I must say those four step sats (all hypers, about 1/3rd of field go to next round) where extremely fishy! In all the MTT rounds I saw a lot of people who could have easily folded their way to the next round risk their stacks with A8o kind of hands. I found that 2-3 hands/round was more than enough to get me through to the next round. Are these always like this? In that case there's quite a lot of value in them, though would be even better if you could take the T$.

Yeah, I wouldn't draw to something if your going to fold when they bet

Trust me, raising this board with any hand is a terrible line. Really think about why that is. It will help your thought process immensely.

Edit: and i'm not sure what the filter and second graph is supposed to be proving?

Good question (sorry, been offline all weekend).
I'm honestly not sure.
I know we should think what his 3 bet range is and if the flop hits his range, but:
1. His range could be wide as it's a resteal, so 33, TT, 77, 44, Kxs are all possible.
2. We only have overcards or a draw.

Hand 1, probably fold as I don't think I have much equity and basically hoping to catch an ace. Although raise could get a fold.
2, possibly float but more likely fold.
3, probably semi-bluff raise we have good equity I think.
4, probably fold although I think a raise would fold out all non-K hands.
5, same as 4.

In hands 1, 4 and 5 what do you think your perceived range is when you raise?

And why do you think it's at all likely villain holds 77, 44 or 33? AT has fairly decent equity on most of these flops, and the one I'd actually be most wary about continuing on is #2. You should also be considering folding more often pre if you're going to be folding unless you flop a pair or flush draw, but I'd change your postflop game instead.

Well, yeah, that's kind of the problem.
I don't think it's right to raise the flop unless you think you have the most equity and are happy to GII.
But I apart from the flush draw I can't see that's the case on these boards.
I mean, if we look at the 4th hand, as give villain TT+, A2s+, K7s+, QJs+, KJo+, QJo+ we have only 31%.

Raising H1 we are repping TT-QQ maybe, possibly AQ+ as board hasn't hit either range so the hand which was best pre should still be best.

4 & 5, repping Kx, most likely AK or KQ I guess.

Kx doesn't often raise the flop because it's against an uncapped range. I'd sometimes raise AK but never without history and not often at all because a) I normally 4bet it here and b) it's normally a WA/WB spot. But I'm probably floating boards 1 and 5 at least, perhaps folding board 4 depending on villain's range and my range, plus villain's turn barrelling tendencies.

Haven't posted here in a long while
If anyone is running bad, take a look at my graphs. This is the sickest downswing I have experienced ever. Seems like every 40/2 and 85/30 fish plays better than me.

I play a mix of mostly 10-20-25-30NL, with some 50 and 100NL HU

My lifetime graph at Stars before the last few sessions: 11bb/100 winner over about 170K hands



And now ... drum-roll... the last 6.5K hands (mostly at 30NL), apparently I forgot how to play poker, or the 30NL fishes are luckier than others. quarter or so of bankroll gone. I myself can't believe these both graphs belong to the same player



Anyway, I should probably take a long break until September

Hey guys. Thought I'd introduce myself to these threads.

I'm OlyBrah, and as of July I've been playing NL2 6max with a $13 deposit. I've had some rungood here and there, and some break even stretches, but I've managed to get my bankroll up to $110 as of today.

Graph below:



Of course I'd like to run under EV (as odd as it sounds, running over EV to me is a sign of getting the money in bad, which is a leak I'll need to correct), but that's something that will change over time.

I'd like to boost my blue line also, but meh not fussed either way. Pretty happy with my redline.

Anyway, I'm hoping to improve my game and eventually move up to NL25 over time. Hopefully it doesn't take too long, although time isn't an issue for me as long as I continue to enjoy my time at the tables.

^^ what are you're stats?? You're either a big LAG or you only play against nits . Sick red line

No, it's not. It's a sign of running above expectation in All-in situations. The line tells you nothing about if you got your money in good or bad.

Overall like 28/23, but lately it's been closer to 36/31, and sometimes up to 44/39 or so.

It really depends on table conditions, but I never play super-tight or even tight-ish at all. It's best to play such a wide variety of hands because it makes it harder for your opponents to put you on a range, AND makes it less likely they'll give you credit.

Yeah, I realise what EV is and that every time I win with a hand that's 80% preflop in a preflop all in I run over EV, but I do get the money in bad and suck out a fair bit. Kings getting in with AA and hitting a K on the river, AJs getting it in with an aggrodonks AA preflop in BvB, only to spike two Jacks.

It's the sort of stuff I'd like to stop myself from doing.
The getting it in bad part, not the sucking out part. Sucking out is good but brings insta-bad-karma to my future sessions.

That's results oriented thinking. You should be thinking about it as getting it in vs certain ranges. Sometimes you hit the top of their range and that is perfectly fine. If you have reliable reads that they will get it in light and they happen to have AA, this doesn't mean that you did a bad play.

However, if you often get it in with hands like AJs 100bb deep, then you need to be really really sure about your reads. Aggro stats in general is not enough to justify that imo.

In PT4 there's a stat called "average All-in equity" (and one for each street) that can tell you how well you are doing. Don't know about HEM. Or then you could filter for hands where you are All-in pre and see how the yellow line flows in relation to the x-axis. However, even if the line slopes slightly downwards, this is still not an indication that your plays have been bad. Especially on later streets it is often the correct play to get it in with <50% equity because of all the dead money in the pot.

Did you just call your opponents aggrodonks?