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Am I a bad player or are these coolers? Am I a bad player or are these coolers?

04-24-2011 , 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by A.Ertbjerg
the KTs hand is horrible.

But nobody can tell you anything from looking at coolers. post stats would be much more helpful
this for sure for starters

I'm not sure wtf hero or villain are doing in that one, the whole thing is an atrocity (this coming from someone who is pretty bad himself)
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04-24-2011 , 07:53 AM
re: first hand with ATd

honestly OP, until you do ALL of:

1) play better
2) run better
3) feel more confident

which for now, requires you to:

a) keep poasting, studying, etc. AND
b) play less tables

until all that happens, ATd is a pf fold the first time... after above all happens, go ahead and open it - I do not believe it's necessary to open ATs in this position in order to be profitable at this limit but I definitely believe that if played very well post flop, it can definitely still be profitable (insert flaming here)

either way tho, after villain makes it $1.30, without specific, abnormal reads, it's a painful pf fold back to you hu - it's ironic for you here that he had trash and made quads but it's also results based... if you're on your game, the first open to .30 is fine but the 3b call is still sub-marginal at best IMO, unless he is an habitual 3bettor with trash on a mid ep opener, in that case a call could be advocated

so in times like this, definitely tighten up, esp EP and reduce # of tables in order to focus more on playing and less on auto-pilot-spite-spew

also as already mentioned, some of those pf raises with solid holdings and one or more limpers up front are WAY too low, jam it in there... don't worry, one or more will call and you have equity, if you lose it will be a higher amount but you have the equity so screw the short term and if you're uncomfortable with that idea, drop down for a bit and rebuild
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04-24-2011 , 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Jabba021
Those hands are played awfully...

Without reads, as posted:

Hand 1- Fold pre both times.
Hand 2- At least .70 preflop. Rest of hand is ok.
Hand 3- lol at least .80 pre. Post flop is fine.
lol...
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04-24-2011 , 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Siti_11
If you were winning with 4bb/100 over 100k hands and then lost 90 buy ins at the same level your play has changed. You need to be humble, accept this, and honestly appraise your game if you want to improve your winrate. Posting hand histories for others to critique is a good start. I would also suggest posting your different stats in the stats thread.
Also, this is good advice except heed warning on the bolded part - everyone's play will change a bit over these types of samples but it's not necessarily true that your play has changed all that much. It's certainly possible (albeit, relatively unlikely) that you played quite suboptimally during your 100k stretch and still obtained 4bb/100 via boomswitch.
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04-24-2011 , 08:51 AM
Hey guys thanks for replying. I think its a combination of run bad and bad play. As for the 3bet calling for that guy with ATs, his 3 bet was 24% with a VPIP/PFR of 50/45, so he was a complete aggrodonk and I just believe i hit the top of his range. Problem is this keeps happening so I'm beginning to wonder if im putting people on correct ranges when I look at their stats.

And Jabba wtf you tlaking about? This is not bar poker, when did you last play microstakes? 2007? People snap fold 7x blind value raises. lolll
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04-24-2011 , 08:53 AM
And with the KT hand, what can that guy really have? Who plays QQ like that? I was honestly expecting him to show a missed draw or a weak T. When he showed QQ i wondered to myself how many times he must lose his stack taking that line.
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04-24-2011 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by GoSU4u
And Jabba wtf you tlaking about? This is not bar poker, when did you last play microstakes? 2007? People snap fold 7x blind value raises. lolll
Jabba was commenting on your preflop raise size. In that particular hand you had three limps infront.
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04-24-2011 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by GoSU4u
And with the KT hand, what can that guy really have? Who plays QQ like that? I was honestly expecting him to show a missed draw or a weak T. When he showed QQ i wondered to myself how many times he must lose his stack taking that line.
He can't call your river shove with those hands.

I'm not a good player but on the river you are either beat
or you are hoping for a call from a worse hand.
The shove doesn't make sense - you're not bluffing here.

Last edited by Tbl_Spoon; 04-24-2011 at 10:07 AM.
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04-24-2011 , 10:06 AM
post some positional stats. Calling with K6 from the blinds is horrible. I don't care if it's suited
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04-24-2011 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by aesthetics
lol...
Seems contradictory i know, but preflop was really awful on the last two. I dont blame him for b/b/s overpairs at 10nl into unknowns, seems standard especially if the raise size pre was better.

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Originally Posted by GoSU4u
And Jabba wtf you tlaking about? This is not bar poker, when did you last play microstakes? 2007? People snap fold 7x blind value raises. lolll
...

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Originally Posted by Tbl_Spoon
Jabba was commenting on your preflop raise size. In that particular hand you had three limps infront.
This.

It is completely standard to iso to 7bb if you have 3 limps in front of you.
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04-24-2011 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by GoSU4u
And with the KT hand, what can that guy really have? Who plays QQ like that? I was honestly expecting him to show a missed draw or a weak T. When he showed QQ i wondered to myself how many times he must lose his stack taking that line.
Well he could have 44, 66, 77, 88, 99, TT, 67, 78, 89, 98, T9, 64, 75, 86, 97.

I mean there is so few missed draw on that board. And I don't know what weaker T you would expect. I guess JT or QTs might be in there but if so then so will T8 and T7 certainly be.

I'm not saying his line isn't awful but that river shove is a snapfold.
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04-24-2011 , 01:03 PM
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And Jabba wtf you tlaking about? This is not bar poker, when did you last play microstakes? 2007? People snap fold 7x blind value raises. lolll
So what? You'd rather win the blinds and limps than lose a stack to J4o because you gave him odds to call and hunt for trips.
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04-24-2011 , 06:43 PM
maybe on the kk hand i didnt raise enough, but 8x is over the top. you are not isolating fish raising that much because even the worst calling station folds to a raise that high. KK hand i shoulda raised 5x tops imo
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04-24-2011 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BabyBackBullshift
your bad
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http://www.wikihow.com/Use-You%27re-and-Your
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04-24-2011 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by GoSU4u
maybe on the kk hand i didnt raise enough, but 8x is over the top. you are not isolating fish raising that much because even the worst calling station folds to a raise that high. KK hand i shoulda raised 5x tops imo
ok

Good luck.
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04-24-2011 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by GoSU4u
maybe on the kk hand i didnt raise enough, but 8x is over the top. you are not isolating fish raising that much because even the worst calling station folds to a raise that high. KK hand i shoulda raised 5x tops imo
I don't usually raise to 8x with KK, but I remember doing it just once, getting two callers and losing to the guy with 99 who hit his set.
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04-25-2011 , 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by GoSU4u
maybe on the kk hand i didnt raise enough, but 8x is over the top. you are not isolating fish raising that much because even the worst calling station folds to a raise that high. KK hand i shoulda raised 5x tops imo
I think this is a big part of the problem
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04-25-2011 , 01:09 AM
You are raising incorrectly. You don't want a 4 way pot with KK or QQ. When you have limpers before you, you can't make your standard 3x raise. The odds people are getting to call are great. For instance If the pot has 15c(blinds) + 4 limps that's 55c then you raise to 30, people are calling 20c to win 85c or roughly 4:1 odds. And the more people who call the better odds the next guy is getting. For instance limper 1 calls and the pot becomes 1.05 then limper is calling 20 for 1.05, limper 3, 20 for 1.25 and so on. Like a previous poster said generally raise 3-4x the Bb + 1bb for every limper and more if you are oop.

In this scenario. 4 limpers, raise 3x bb, 30, + 1bb x 4 limpers = 70c
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04-25-2011 , 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Spatz88
You don't want a 4 way pot with KK or QQ.
this is the only part of the post I have a problem with, you DO actually want it multiway if you make a BIG HEALTHY raise with these premium hands - if it's not multiway, that's fine too since your odds of winning HU or even 3way obv increase... but longterm EV increases the more callers you get with inferior holdings even if your strong hand has relatively limited multiway value

it's not an iso raise imo, you're not trying to "protect your hand"

what you're trying to do is make them pay because you have equity and at these levels, as you advocate, they will indeed pay

so OP needs to make them pay more
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04-27-2011 , 03:09 AM
Been trying larger raises, and for most part its working. Maybe this was a leak after all.
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04-27-2011 , 04:35 AM
The first phase in overcoming issues in any part of your life is accepting that you did have issues. You're better off accepting what ALL the others in this thread agreed on: your preflop play was bad. And don't worry, this is one of the easiest leaks to fix in the micros.
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04-27-2011 , 02:41 PM
First hand: fold to 3-bet unless the guy's a complete maniac.
Second and third hand: wp, just raise (3+limpers) times the BB preflop.
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04-27-2011 , 05:13 PM
you're a bad player..
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04-27-2011 , 05:24 PM
bad player
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