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04-13-2020 , 08:02 PM
Hi,
Regular live player for 10 year, mostly playing 0.5/1 couple times a week, I started playing online due to the current situation.
I didn't want to go to mid stake, because I've been told it's pretty competitive, so I started to play on NL5, four table at the time. It's been an enjoyable ride, and I have nothing much else to do with my days.

I got nearly 15k hands, a pretty good bb/100 although my line has been a bit flat during the last few days.

I'm worried about the "win without showdown" red line. Some people say it's not important in micro, since we play mostly ABC poker, more value betting and all. But I feel that my red line should still be better than that. What are good advice to fix that? Seems like being either tighter or more aggressive are both options to get that red line in the good direction? Tighter means less money thrown in pots, aggro means potentially win more without showdown. What do people think?

Second question: When is a good time to move up stake? 15k hands of consistent winning seems like I should go up, but then again it's only 10 days worth of playing. I don't know if I'm running good or if I'm playing good enough to move up. (As a live player, I probably played as many hands in 10 days than I played in the last 3 or 5 years haha).

If I chose to go up to NL10, what are the big things to pay attention to, compared to NL5? Probably more attention to bet sizing? It's pretty random at nl5.

Ok that's it. Sorry for the long post. I also wanted to brag about my nice graph


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04-14-2020 , 03:27 AM
Plenty of red line posts here, search for them. 15k hands isn't a huge amount
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04-14-2020 , 06:11 AM
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When is a good time to move up stake?
When you have 20 buyins for that limit. Drop back if you lose 10 buy-ins.

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what are the big things to pay attention to
Same things. Understanding how each player plays. Also play less tables if you drop 5 buy-ins. Focus more.
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04-14-2020 , 09:39 AM
Redline is fine. It looks like it's only about -20bb/100. There are various ways to get it to -15bb/100 or so, but it's tough to improve your redline without negatively affecting the blue one. I'd just keep grinding out the volume while you're crushing the game, and take shots at a higher limit according to whatever your bankroll is doing. GL!
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04-14-2020 , 06:08 PM
Your results so far are very good for NL5 and the sample is reasonable given the very high winrate (though I'd expect that you'll not keep this WR up forever). I'd move up if you're rolled (20BI for aggressive shottaking if your ego allows you to move down, 40BI for egotists, 60-100BI if you rely on online poker for a living).
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04-15-2020 , 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
Redline is fine. It looks like it's only about -20bb/100. There are various ways to get it to -15bb/100 or so, but it's tough to improve your redline without negatively affecting the blue one. I'd just keep grinding out the volume while you're crushing the game, and take shots at a higher limit according to whatever your bankroll is doing. GL!
Yes, I've been trying over the last couple of days to work on improving my red line.

First, I tried to be a bit more active, more stealing preflop. I managed to steal more preflop, but I'm not sure it's EV+ since I end up playing more hands oop with weak cards. I'll try to play with PT4 filters to see if it's working. I do steal more, but I also lose more, not sure how it balances out in the long run.

Second, I tried to be more aggressive postflop when in position. I already had a high CBet rate, I pushed it a bit more.

Last, I made my range preflop stricter. I try to call less with semi-good hands like JT or KTm especially oop. My vpip doesn't go down since I try to steal/squeeze more.

It's too early to say if it works. It brings more variance to my game, that's not something I like too much.
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04-15-2020 , 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ouafouaf
Yes, I've been trying over the last couple of days to work on improving my red line.
Did you actually read any of the red line posts, or even Arty's post that says your red line is fine? Don't chase a bunch of marginal spots to try to improve what is a good red line if it brings your blue line down, or if it diverts your attention from the actual real good spots that make a difference
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04-15-2020 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
Did you actually read any of the red line posts, or even Arty's post that says your red line is fine? Don't chase a bunch of marginal spots to try to improve what is a good red line if it brings your blue line down, or if it diverts your attention from the actual real good spots that make a difference
Yes, sorry, I meant to answer the other messages in the thread, but I got carried away. I do understand that the redline is not a big deal, especially in micro stakes where we're advised to play a more straight forward strategy.

The redline is not a priority, but I feel like it's something tangible I can work on. I will try not to diver my attention too much though. I'm just running some tests, see if the redline moves a bit. For sure I will come back to my initial gameplay if the overall line goes down.
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04-15-2020 , 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
Your results so far are very good for NL5 and the sample is reasonable given the very high winrate (though I'd expect that you'll not keep this WR up forever). I'd move up if you're rolled (20BI for aggressive shottaking if your ego allows you to move down, 40BI for egotists, 60-100BI if you rely on online poker for a living).
Thank you. It's not a lot of money, I'm not afraid for my bankroll, but I am very anal about results, so I'll wait until I won at least $400 before I move up, so that if I do lose a few buyin I don't feel like my whole winning curve is destroyed.

What do online player think about mixing tables? I could start with one NL10 and three NL5, something like that.
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