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04-23-2012 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Krumb Snatcha
You need to prove limping is optimal first.
During peak hours at my local casinos (fri n sat night) a pot being raised preflop is the norm, especially when its an aggressive table. I have no hesitation folding aa on the flop so there is not much fear of losing my whole stack in case no one else raises.

This was a debate my and a fellow poker player had. He claims it is profitable to "always" raise preflop with aa. We decided to post it on 2 +2 to
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04-23-2012 , 05:50 PM
See what the other players opinions were regarding this scenerion.

I tend to raise %85 in this situation and limp in %15 of the time because of the reasons stated above. I should have mentioned this advice is for live play at 2/3 NLH.

Thx.
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04-23-2012 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by serio562
This was a debate my and a fellow poker player had. He claims it is profitable to "always" raise preflop with aa. We decided to post it on 2 +2 to
Well, he's wrong but he's right so often that the rare cases it's not the correct play are likely to be irrelevent to his win rate.
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04-23-2012 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by serio562
I tend to raise %85 in this situation and limp in %15 of the time
So you're limping in with AA UTG every 1500 orbits or so? Hardly worth the adjustment is it? Might as well come in for a raise every time.
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04-23-2012 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by gothninja
So you're limping in with AA UTG every 1500 orbits or so? Hardly worth the adjustment is it? Might as well come in for a raise every time.
Again, I limp in during peak hours at a casino when there has been a raise every hand.
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04-23-2012 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by serio562
Again, I limp in during peak hours at a casino when there has been a raise every hand.
I'm trying to wrap my head around your logic...having trouble tho.

If you were to min raise in this same spot at same table and time, you will get called by several players? But if you limp UTG you will always get raised so you can 3bet only if you limp?

Seems to me you said earlier that these fish pay no attention to your previous lines, but opening large will be turning your hand face up? Sorry but this confuses me greatly?

IMO opening UTG with a normal sizing at this table and time should still give you opportunities to 3bet or get it in pre....and by opening with a standard size not limping you can get it in much easier, and will nearly always have a lower SPR post flop which makes playing AA quite simple.

I can only think of one spot where limping AA is a good play.......vs really good players that can hand read quite well, and you can confuse them by mixing it up and possibly rep a small PP by open limping there.
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04-23-2012 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by PapaPyrite
I can only think of one spot where limping AA is a good play.......vs really good players that can hand read quite well, and you can confuse them by mixing it up and possibly rep a small PP by open limping there.
This doesn't really make sense, what would you be trying to bluff someone off of by repping a small set when you actually have aces? Some weird 2 pair? Seems like a really thin bluff.
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04-23-2012 , 09:52 PM
not trying to bluff anything, point is limping isn't a good play with AA, just trying to think of any possible spot to limp and disguise is the only thing I can think of here.

OP is the one wanting to limp, I raise AA always in my games, but I'm not playing world class villains and I have seen some very good players limp AA once in a great while, I assume it's to confuse or disguise.
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04-23-2012 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by PapaPyrite
not trying to bluff anything, point is limping isn't a good play with AA, just trying to think of any possible spot to limp and disguise is the only thing I can think of here.

OP is the one wanting to limp, I raise AA always in my games, but I'm not playing world class villains and I have seen some very good players limp AA once in a great while, I assume it's to confuse or disguise.
I will put you down as a "always" raise vote, thx.
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04-23-2012 , 10:03 PM
I think an 85% open-raise 15% open-shove strategy would be an improvement on 15% limping.

Last edited by zumby; 04-23-2012 at 10:03 PM. Reason: is it "an 85%" and "a 60%" when writing numerically?
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04-23-2012 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by zumby
I think an 85% open-raise 15% open-shove strategy would be an improvement on 15% limping.
We have another "always" raise vote.
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04-24-2012 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
In microstakes games, limping with the aim of limp-reraising just isn't very profitable. It's fancy play syndrome.
In high stakes games, you can mix it up more. On HSP, Johnny Chan twice limped with aces and won decent pots. In the most famous example, he actually over-limped into a 3-way pot, knowing that aggressive players like Negreanu would try a squeeze play. What happened after that is quite embarrassing for Eric "Rolex" Boneta. Repping a set, when he actually had king high, Boneta bluffed off 200 grand.
So unless Rolex is on your left, don't limp re-raise aces.

There's also an incredible hero fold by Chan on Youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnexYvPtYew

Just remember, you're not Johnny Chan. Don't try being Johnny Chan if you're playing micros.
chan is also a big cashgame fish lol. same as doyle who thinks its 1970 and limps AA
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04-24-2012 , 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by serio562
When holding AA under the gun you should:

[ ] always raise no matter what

[ ] limp in hoping to check raise

[ ] mid raise attempting to induce a raise, to re-raise

[ ] depends on stacks, table agression, other factors, etc

Please vote for one and your reasoning, thx.
1st option. if it was live, i'd go with option 2
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