Hi,
I have been wondering about how to play big pairs.

In 2NL it's all very simple, I would be 4bet shoving my JJ+ all the live long day, as people often call off with AJ and AQ, let alone AK.

At 5nl it's a bit more complicated, 4bet shoves are usually for KK and AA only.
But then again, 6 handed, you 3bet your QQ on the button and get 4bet shoved upon? Are you ever folding?

I haven't played that much at 10NL, but from what I have seen it's always AA in the shove, the only difference is, there are some 4bet bluffs, where if you 5bet shove the 4beter insta-folds.

Do you have ideas on big pairs in micro-cash?

Generally I shove only AA and KK. I've been burned more than a few times with shoving JJ or QQ and getting undone by an overpair. It also depends on the read I have on my opponent, if I've seen him play pretty loose I'll shove QQ. Otherwise I play them like I normally would any high pair.

That's my take. I'm looking forward to seeing what other more experienced player will say.

A weird small sized 4bet is always AA wanting you to shove on them like 9/10 always.

Hey, thanks for the response,
So, you are saying you are folding QQ on a shove?
I have no problem folding JJ on 4bet, it's pretty easy, but QQ...

And talking about the reads, I have played full ring today and I opened with JJ UTG, and the button chap 3 bet me, I had 50 hands on him, and his 3 bet was 35%... I shoved and he called with QQ, not an easy spot, sometimes they have it!

Is it a 5NL-10NL tendency or some other limit?
Small 4bet looks really strong to me anyway, it's like the guy is not a in hurry to put his money in, he wants you put yours first)
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And again, having said that, have you ever folded KK against something like that?
(apart from the spot where you a have a note written for the guy who does that)

With JJ/QQ facing a 4bet - call. If it's a shove, I fold. Again it's entirely based on the opponent. If I've seen Villain shoving left and right and knocking people off hands and generally being aggro, it's a snap call. But against a more tighter player who generally knows what he's doing, and he 4bet shoves, I walk away from it. It's all dependant on how villain has been playing.

Ok, what do you expect to see on the flop when you call 4bet with JJ?
Let's say it's A2T... what do you do?
Or even if it is 72To, how do you know you are not against QQ, KK, AA on this board?
It's very interesting!
QQ is probably fine post flop, although I'd rather put my money in pre.

In both instances you posted I would c/f and walk away from it.

When I call a 4bet I'm obviously looking to catch a set, do a little dance, then check raise. But that's rare and most of the time I walk away from it. No bluffing, just get away from the hand. Occasionally villain does something silly and check back which gives me a chance to improve on the turn, but that's rare... It DOES happen though.

I see it at NL2,NL5 and NL10. Everybody will probably diagree with me but I think I make more profit flatting with KK and hoping an ace hits otf so i can fold or i hit a set, or folding if I have a note on them knowing they play aces like that. I just think stacking off is bad when you know they are tight and have it 9/10 times. Everyone will say well it cancels out when you have aa vs kk, which it does but you are going to get stacked by aa more often than you are going to stack some random garbage or QQ, I find people just jam the 3bet when they don't have aa, they never jam with aa because they dont want to scare your off.

When you 3bet a min raise or limp and they 4bet you, thats pretty much AA/KK, that's pretty reliable also, mostly see that at NL2.

Weird...so by this logic you can call 4bet with any pair 22+ only to catch a set (which is like 12% or something) having already put about 25% of your stack in pot.
And how can you get away from JJ on a low dry board, is it really possible?
I mean the aggressor would c-bet any flop 80 of a time, and it's going to be pricy to say the least...

I rarely see people slow playing AA in cash, I would say never, it usually goes in pre.
Limp-4bet or limp-jam is always AA-KK, but I have seen people jamming AK and AQ left and right.

Yes they are trying to get it in pre flop, but if they shove your 3bet or make a big 4bet they think they are going to scare you off so they make the small 4bet in the hopes you will at least call or shove on them.

Slowplay is the mentality of microstakes players, that's why just betting when you have a monster works so well because nobody believes you because it's the norm to check monsters especially at nl2.

This advice is pretty specific to nl2 zoom I should say sorry, but the regs at the normal tables will play the same way I think.