hi i joined a site and i play 4nl 6 max cash and couple tourments. but i find there is a need for villians(more then one person) to limp any two cards from any position i tryed betting big to push these limper out but they still call the raise. i tryed to call with permium hands but with so many people in the hand( i.e. 3/4 or even 6 people seeing the flop) it hard to have the best hand post flop or on the river.


any suggestions ?

btw 4nl is the lowest cash game limit on the site

i know this is pros deam table but i'm no pro helllpp plz lol

value bet

You want them to call your raise, with weaker hands.

If you have a hand that you want to raise with, increase your raise size to the biggest you can make it without them starting to fold.

Play a TAG style... Profit.

Wait for top hands and bet big.

dont get tricky, when you hit a big hand pot, pot, shove.

What is the worst type of hand you would call a premium hand?

Hint: Its not KQ or A8 for these type of games. Even AJ should be played with a degree of caution for 100bb.

any top pair decent kicker will do vs these guys. even 2nd pair top kicker is the nuts often on some boards. sc's go down in value since u dont hit straights that often and flushes. every pocket pair for set mining purposes. also depends how they play post flop and stack sizes.

not this

Qj/kq type hqnds are the nuts since we have two high cards and almost always have them dominated whn we both flop a pair

Worth remembering that just because they're super loose pre flop, doesn't mean they're all stacking off with any piece of the board.

Some of these loose guys just want to see flops, but tighten up considerably once the flop comes down. Others want to see flops and are happy to stick it in with top pair no kicker, second pair good kicker etc.

I agree with 'Norway - KQ,QJ are dominating way more often than they're dominated against these guys.

Are you seriously telling the opening poster to stack off 100bb in a multiway pot when they flop a pair of queens with a king kicker or an ace with an 8 kicker?

There are 66 combinations of cards that have jq in trouble preflop.

No advice is better than bad advice.

no who said that. post HH to get better analysis, we're just generalizing. besides are you playing for stacks every time you decide to VPIP? small hands, small pots. and if fish play 90% of hands you can take them down a decent proportion of them with small pots and make decent +.

Fairyquid, You also said SC go down in value.

These are EXACTLY the type of opponents that pay off SCs. Lots of multiway limped pots with calling stations are textbook SC tables.

Nobody's suggesting that when we have, say, QJ, that top pair is an auto-stack off multiway. Clearly, we still have to play poker post flop and as fairyquid reminded us, 'small hand small pot' still applies.

BUT preflop, against a guy who is limping practically any two AND calls any raise, not putting in a raise with KQ etc is almost certainly costing us money. The usual rule against raising in that spot - that all we do is fold out villain's weaker hands - clearly doesn't apply.

Of course, if we end up not isolating the guy - the two behind us cold call our raise - then we're not going silly when we flop top pair and at least one of our opponents wants to play a big pot (although even then it's going to depend on how they're playing).

+1 for posting specific hands. All we can talk about otherwise is generalities and we all know how useless they are when we're facing specific opponents in specific spots.

not always but u can usually b/f 3 streets

But how many combinations of hands don't have QJ in trouble pre-flop!!!

ye so stop posting bad advice

IMO you make more with KJ/KQ type hands against these guys. It's easier to make TP and outkicker them or be ahead of the 2nd pair they can't let go of than it is to flop a straight.

yep

its not even close

we are going to showdown a lot

we dont need to make flushes vs guys who will call 3 streets with 2nd pair and 2 streets with ace high, nor do we make them often enough

Bet big hands strong never check back big hands, learn what board textures to cbet on. Don't be scared to cbet or 2 barrel HU a 70/6 rarely has anything