Full Tilt Poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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UTG: $5.00
Hero (CO): $5.15
BTN: $5.12
SB: $5.93
BB: $5.48

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with T T
UTG raises to $0.17, Hero raises to $0.60, 3 folds, UTG raises to $1.87, Hero raises to $5.15 all in, UTG calls $3.13 all in

Flop: ($10.07) 8 4 3

Turn: ($10.07) Q

River: ($10.07) 2

Hands like TT + JJ get me into trouble at 6Max. I'm happy getting it in w/ QQ+ but I'm never certain what to do here. I decided to ship, but I regretted it immediately.

Do I fold? Surely I can't flat his bet w/a pair vunarable to overcards? Vil was 24/18 in this case, but general advice on what to do with TT/JJ facing 4bet would be appreciated.

i flat here IP against a UTG raise assuming villain is a competent player, if you 3bet and get 4bet, your hating life.

You don't have to worry about the 4bet if you fold to the 3bet.

How can I fold to the 3bet when I'm the one 3betting, EightFoldPath?

I totally agree Black Gerbil, getting 4bet w/TT in your hand is a nightmare. But I'm not certain I can just flat call PF with it, it seems too nitty?

You don't have to worry about folding to the 3bet if you call the 2bet.


or to spell it out: dont 3 bet unless you know what you will do to a 4 bet.

Well, I get what you're saying now, it's just I was confused over the lingo - I can only fold to a 4bet if I 3bet, surely?

Meh, either way I think that's good advice, cheers.

Even in 6max I am just flatting pre, hoping for a set. I am not ever comfortable going aipf with less than QQ, KK, AA, AK. If you flat and an overcard comes, Im c/f everytime.

I've never played this low, but I would imagine players are willing to get in a lot of PP's/AQ+ here, plus if you have the right dynamic (example you're 3 betting a lot in late position) they'll probably be more willing to stack of with lower PP's than TT. Here, I stoved TT vs. AQ+,TT+ and 5 of 12 possible combos of 88 and 99.



636,977,088 games 0.578 secs 1,102,036,484 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.634% 42.66% 00.97% 271752600 6189000.00 { TT }
Hand 1: 56.366% 55.39% 00.97% 352846488 6189000.00 { TT+, 9d9h, 9d9s, 9h9s, 8d8h, 8h8s, AQs+, AQo+ }


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By shoving over his 3 bet we're risking $4.40 to win $5.67, in other words we need to win 43.69% of the time to breakeven (the text above shows we're getting 43.64%). Given the fact villian seems competent enough to know you're 3 betting light at times he can easily be 4 bet bluffing here and the times we shove and get him to fold will make us show a profit even if when getting called is slightly unprofitable.

It's a question of what the more +EV play is, flatting or 3 betting.

I like flatting instead of 3betting but c/f if an overcard comes is horrible. We are in position so on a A92r flop we can easily call a bet. Most people are going to cbet A/K high flops and then check the turn if they didn't hit.

Without reads no reason at all to 3b and the shove is terrible.

Your the type of scrub I love to see at my table. Own your soul post flop. Easy game.

Agreed. UTG 4betting makes us puke and they do a fair amount of time if they are decent.

(1) This is the beginner's forum - keep that in mind when you are responding to others' sincere responses.

(2) I do agree with you w/r/t to calling a c-bet; however, if it is profitable to call an UTG open raise with 22 with the intention of folding whenever you miss your set, it will be profitable to call with TT with the same intention. In other words, there is a difference between profitable play and optimal play. In any case, an inexperienced player may do better with a set-mining strategy than a strategy of "playing poker" post-flop, since the mistake one makes by folding the better hand to a c-bet on the flop is smaller in terms of bb's lost than making a huge turn/river mistake.

Dont ever 3bet 1010. Your turning a pretty good hand into a bluff.

Just call his raise and you will have position on him. Call his flop Cbet and re evalute on the turn.

Grunch ......


Given that he raised 1st to act even 5 handed I would just call his original raise unless I had a reason (such as him being super aggressive pre or him and me having very aggressive pre-flop history) to 3bet/5bet.

Well that's just silly. Flop comes Q84, he cbets, and you fold? That's not good. He is cbetting wide there, you are ahead of his range, and he will usually check the turn and river.

I'm gonna to give my humble opinion since I play .2/.5 alot. Generally the folks at .2/.5 are either spazzes or nits. If the guy is a spazz get it in, if he is a nit fold it. The nits always 4-bet with kk/aa only. The spazz's are easy to spot in the 1st two orbits.

Once he 4bets this is the easiest fold. You shouldn't be 3betting in the first place though.

There's nothing wrong with 3betting TT in position.

I dont like 3betting 1010 IP eather. Asuming we are 100 bb deep

IMO you are turning your hand into a bluff.

When he calls he will uasely have a pretty good hand. Where you are at best 50 % chance favorite to win.

When he 4 bets. Its a fold.

When he folds. You missed value from your 1010 hand.

I would rather 3bet some random crap hand if it is just to bluff him off his hand.

vs an utg raise?

i wont 3ball TT vs an UTG raise unless i have very specific reads.

EDIT NOTE: im not saying dont 3bet TT IP ever, im just saying not vs an ep opener.

EDIT2: lol didnt know it was 6max, thought it was fr sh play. i still would call though.

easy fold unless he 4bets light, but I doubt at 5nl you have enough hand on this guy to determine that.

Just flat the raise with TT IP. Especially without being sure of a read.

This,

TT vs UTG is a very bad 3-bet unless you have specific reads. Also, against a good opponent I'm likely flatting JJ/AQ and sometimes QQ here.

If it is CO vs BTN 3-betting TT is fine depending on the CO player

I am only stacking off with TT pre if he is an aggro tard or I have some history with him.