You are playing too many hands and your over aggression is predictable and probably getting exploited by the good players. I beat 5nl Rush for about 3bb over 90k hands. I played 9/7 overall. Keep tailoring your play to your opponents, but play a tighter range.

NM I was talking about FR

explain.

Redundant now anyway as OP was talking fullring, but I'm interested in what you think I'm missing aboiut a VPIP of 14 at 6max

Nothing to do with VPIP of 14. It's the idea of trying not to be exploitable. Playing exploitatively means playing in a way that is exploitable no?

I don't think it makes too much sense to use exploitability as a reason for your play.. you don't get to the river vs someone who never bluffs and say "Oh well, guess I'll call cos if I don't then it's exploitable!".

grunch;

For starters you need to adjust all your decisions around players who's actions are defined by 80-90% consistency, not 66%. 66% is nothing, practically a coinflip. Sometimes they cbet sometimes they dont. By raising 100% of cbets vs these players you are basically guessing whether they have anything or not, and most likely they are reserving their cbets for made hands or hands with some equity like backdoor nut flush draw + overcards etc.

But on to the real problem, this is 5NL rush buddy, quit with all the fancy play and analytical thought process. Your only goal here is to value town idiots who snap 3 streets with air or bottom pair. Thats the only exploitation you should be seeking, exploiting fish for playing bad hands.

Yeah I'm losing 8BI playing 9.6/6/3

**** that I'm going 5.9/4.5/1 now

You dont need to tighten up, you just need to play accordingly. When I played 5NL 6max rush I think I ran around 18/14 or so. I put in about 50k hands or so just as a sample to get the feel for it and won at 6BB/100 I think. My EV BB/100 was like 16 but I got sucked out on a lot. In fact, playing that tight will probably be worse since you're going to be auto-shipping too often since your range is now like JJ+ and running into sets and ****, and missing too many spots to pick up pots/stacks with good drawing hands.

Your range should basically be all PP's from any position, KQ/AJ from any position if unraised, and any suited connector/suited ace on the button if unraised. You want at least 2 callers/limpers to play any of your drawing hands, and basically fold anything but AK to an initial raise.

The general idea is all about implied odds. Your goal is to stack fish with dominating hands and cooler regs with your draws. The fish will call off their stacks chasing, and the regs will marry any overpair.

Feel free to target any maniacs with a standard range of AJ+ and 88+. These players will be running like 55/45 over 60 hands with 0% fold to 3bet and 20% fold to cbet etc. Isolate limpers pretty aggressively since their range is usually any two suited cards and Ace rag. Only continue postflop with hands that have some degree of equity. Dont try to barrel/bluff with A5o on a 337Jr board with basically no outs. However do barrel A5s on a 23K flop with backdoor flushdraw, especially if you pick up the flush draw on the turn. It's ok to defend your blind vs obvious steals, players running 50%+ steal percentage, but make sure you have a realistic sample. Make sure their steal opportunity is in line with their steal attempt (number in parenthesis). For example if it says their steal % is 50% but thats only out of 2 opportunities then obviously this doesnt mean squat.

Basically, you're really only betting when you have some sort of hand, or something which can develop into a hand. Dont check-raise ever since it's not necessary (unless you flop the nuts hizzy in a 6way hand with lots of action), and dont 3bet bluff postflop, there arent enough players at 5NL who are sophisticated enough to be bluffing, understand your bluff, or simply have a bad hand that often to want to merit folding.

your problem isn't preflop it's post flop

I really appreciate your advice and I think it's pretty good but it's just not doing it for me, I'm losing a lot with suited broadways and AKo/AKs just because I'm stacking off with Top Two Pair or Top Pair/Flush Draw so god damn often it feels like I'm semi-bluffing TPTK with AK on any Axx Kxx Flop because I run into those damn Sets or Maniacs with ATC 2Pair if I have TPTK.

I'm running 13 Buyins below EV too.

Full Tilt Poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

MP1: $5.29
MP2: $7.66
CO: $2.00
BTN: $5.00
Hero (SB): $8.55
BB: $7.87
UTG: $5.20
UTG+1: $2.10
UTG+2: $1.09

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with 4 4
7 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BB raises to $0.45, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.90) 4 7 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

Turn: ($0.90) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.75, BB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $8.10 all in, BB calls $5.92 all in

River: ($15.74) 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $15.74
Hero shows 4 4 (a full house, Fours full of Sevens)
BB shows 7 2 (a full house, Sevens full of Twos)
BB wins $14.70
(Rake: $1.04)

For Example just happend, I'm doing best FR with 5.6/3.7/0.6 atm though.

Wow this is just sick

just sick



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Didnt even know you can run -4BI and 47.6 W$SD with 6.2% VPIP 4% PFR and 0.7% 3bet

I feel like vomiting

wtf

6/4 are you kidding me? What is your positional stats? How do you ever expect to make money if you play 6/4? What happened with the 40% CO steal?

Don't tighten that much up in fact I'm not sure you even needed to tighten up, you just needs to play better post flop. Perhaps stop playing 2k hands/hour and focus on decision making. Clearly when things are going this way you don't have the fundamentals to play this many hands.

maybe you should play with a vpip of 2 and PFR of 1.5 and see if that fixes your problems!

Well I tried improving over and over and if you take a close look at that screen you'll notice that since I'm playing 6/4 over the last 9k hands I'm around 5 buyins below EV.

So basically I'm up 5.98$ in the long run for 9k hands which would be a winrate of ~1.3BB/100 in the long run which is fine?

9k hands is nothing and you winrate would be 1.3bb/100 not 1.3BB/100.

While 1.3bb/100 is good in the sense that you are winning it isn't impressive and you should look into improving. That would be true even if your winrate was 100bb/100.

6/4 is simply too tight. Now if that is the only way you are comfortable playing right now then that is fine and it might even be good enough to win at 5NL.

But your priority shouldn't be winning it should be improving. And based on your first post your pre-flop game wasn't the problem, it was your post flop game. Now if your post flop game is bad it makes sense to cut down on hands to avoid being put in too many tough spots, But it would be even better if you actually improved your post-flop game.

Since you are having trouble at 5 NL I think it is safe to say that you don't have the fundamentals down yet. That is why I suggested to cut down the number of tables and think about your post-flop decisions. Start putting people on ranges and figure out a way to play against that. Think beyond just your own hand and stop autopiloting.

I will almost guarantee that the improvement that has occurred, if any, when going from 14/11 to 6/4 has way more to do with your post-flop game than your pre-flop game so I would advise you to stop thinking of this as a pre-flop problem.

Also if you go back and look at the initial screenshot you posted and look at where you made your money. It was in position. BTN and CO made you almost 35 BI in 20k hands. Yet those are the hands you are scaling away. That is way counterintuitive.

Then why do you feel like vomitting?

Anyways preflop probably isn't your problem. Also no point posting bad beats/coolers nobody cares and it's not why you are losing money.

Also you should probably play less tables and think about your hands more.. there isn't really some magic system thats gonna suddenly turn you into an awesome player. You've played over 100k hands at 2/5c.. and you probably didn't learn much cos you just played them thoughtlessly.

Yeah I guess you're right I don't feel too comfortable now but I think I'll slowly add hands % by % and see if I improve along the way.

I'm not autopiloting so much actually I'm thinking alot about ranges and I'm having pokerstove open and try to analyse how well my hands fare against certain ranges in 3bet spots etc.

after some sessions I'm putting most of the bigger hands in the hem replayer with hidden hole cards and try to improve my hand reading.


There's really a lot of good advice in here



I feel like vomiting because I'm still down a lot of BI although I'm playing this as tight and nitty as possible.

I'm playing 4 tables of FR Rush, I've been experimenting with playing 1 and 2 tables as well. I'm learning a lot though, the input in here & over there at the Micro Stakes Full Ring Board is very good, I try posting hands there from time to time and asking for opinions.
I'm watching some cardrunners videos as well.

Still Rush Poker is very tag-nit-infested most people are 14/12ing this all the way and if I play broadways against them I feel like the only value I'll ever get is from a straight, it feels like fit or fold against most villains unless they have an overpair or set.

I said it once and I'll say it again, you dont need to keep tightening up like this just because you're getting coolered/sucked out on. If you sort all your biggest pots won, most of them are going to be sets/flush/straights. Not overpairs, not TPTK. playing 5% of hands is just missing too much value. Remember these players are horrible, they pay you off when you have top set, well they'll also pay you off when you have a 7 high flush. Your winrate is only suffering because you're failing to capitalize on all the spots a normal player encounters. Rush doesnt really change things so much that you cant play more speculative hands.

For instance I notice you raisined 44, thats good, but then you called a 3bet with it OOP. This is a leak. You arent going to hit often enough and it's just too hard/obvious when you do hit to get any value. Plugging leaks like this will reduce a lot of your variance and improve your graphs as well. Play drawing hands in position (a PP should be considered a drawing hand to hit a set) and hopefully in multiway pots against FULL STACKS, and all your TPTK type stuff from any position but remember, if you miss you miss. Dont always cbet, be content to just let some hands go, especially if you get raised postflop and you have something QJ on a QT5 board.

Oh, and ditch pokerstove and making equity calcs against ranges while you play. Just play the relative strength of your hand to the board. Fish play random, your hud just gives an example of how random they play. Just because someone is folding to 80% of cbets doesnt mean you cant expect him to spaz out with 23o on a AK8A board. In fact you'd do fine to play without a hud entirely. You might even consider trying this as an experiment, to keep you from trying to play too fancy. The only thing I used a hud for in micro rush was identifying nits, so I could leave them alone. Everyone else was automatically presumed bad.

I'm not sure I follow. My comment that VPIP of 14 is "beyond exploitable" means that it's far too tight and is hugely exploitable. It's not even a matter of the other players being good enough to exploit you. Sure the good one's will exploit tight players but the game itself will exploit that level of nittiness.

How?

the blinds will eat you alive (I'm talking 6max, not FR). If observant players are also exploiting your tightness then you've got no chance unless you're getting payed off in a big way.

Maybe there are are players playing that tight at 6max and making a profit. I'm just not sure how, certainly anywhere above NL10

This isn't happening at micro stakes.

This isn't happening at micro stakes?

Anyways you seem to put a lot of value into preflop stuff when it's not so important really. I was just saying I disagreed with the dude that said 14/11 was "way way way too tight".

I wouldnt say micro players are ever exploiting your tightness, although even fish like the OP here can relentlessly steal someones blind who plays 5/4/1. The problem with playing this tight is that between getting eaten alive by the blinds, some natural variance/suckouts, and just not getting paid off when you finally pick up AA, is that you basically have to win a stack or at least a few big bets in a raised pot to make up for all the hands you fold.

If we're playing 9.000 hands at 5NL we're paying 70.00$ in 1000 small and 1000 big blinds making that 1400 big blinds.

If we're playing 450 hands so that we're making 3-4bb on average over those 450 hands we're making a solid profit. I don't think that'd be too difficult.

Cash games are no tournament you're never going to get eaten up by the blinds

That's not a solid profit. That's 1 BI/10k hands or 1bb/100.

Also averaging 3bb/hand on the 5% you do play might prove to be difficult as well.

No, he is not putting a lot of value into preflop stuff.

Playing as a preflop nit (read: playing too few hands) is a style subject to exploitability. And it doesn't matter if you are playing micros and that the villains that you encounter have no clue how to exploit you. The game itself, i.e. the game dynamic, will exploit the nit. If a nit is sitting at a table of several players who are aggressive, he is being exploited, even if those guys are all donks.

The nit is passing by a lot of +EV opportunities by playing too tight. E.g., a nit is not stealing with sub-premium hands from LP, even though it is a solid +EV play.

Moreover, and somewhat unrelated to the above, a lot of the nits are actually pretty bad players postflop. This partially stems from the fact that their game is so one-dimensional that they do not improve. They play so few hands that, once they enter the pot, many of them are unable to fold their hand anywhere pre or postflop, they often get married to their hands, fail to recognise spots where they are beat and therefore lose a lot of money. Also, an obvious nits rarely gets action unless villain has something too. So even the top hands will fail to win much sometimes and will lose big sometimes, and coupling that with the constant leaking from the blinds and insufficient preflop stealing/restealing, nitty play will result in bad/very small winrate