i think one of my leaks is not 2barreling enough. when should you 2barrel? this is all HU pots of course, not multiway.

i know basic 2barrels, such as 2barrel "scare cards", and face cards. but shouldn't i be concentrating on his range more than just "oh its a scare card, lets 2barrel this?"


can 2barreling be for thin value also? or is it strictly for FE?

my example: I iso fish on button with 8/9o. flop bring J/2/7r. fish c/c's my cbet. turn brings another J. is this a bad card to 2barrel???

don't iso with 98o

if im not isoing fish with 8/9o, what are we isoing fish w/???

yes


this is decent as a starting point: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...arrels-209172/

I'm having some real issues with Motherboard on my pooter at the moment otherwise I would post some double barrels lines at 2NL from my database that will make me look like a super donkey but will make some points that would help you out. on laptop atm.

Anyway the reason we double barrel as a bluff, semi bluff is because:

pfr/call, cbet/call, check/check, bet/call = horrible line. That will get called 50-70% by hands that beat you when you take this line.

Whereas

pfr/call, cbet/call, bet/fold~call... will predmoninantly take down things before the river versus the correct opponents in appropriate situations.

Candidates to DBBluff, DBSemiBluff... TAGs, NITs, Thinking Regs.
-Not Candidates = Fish & Stations & Tards. DBValoo bet them.

Cards have have great top pair value, like any strongish broadway.

And the J is a very good card to 2barrel, because 1. you get him to fold a lot of better hands. 2. the 2nd J makes it's even more difficult for him to have one, if he does call, it's not the end of the world because you still have some equity. 3. Your 8 and 9 are probably still live outs too, if he's that much of a fish. I'd prefer to check behind against mega fish, and try to spike a pair or something on the river, but against some we know we might have some fold equity against, I'd bet this turn.

There aren't tons of draws, so the chances are that he already has a made hand which isn't very strong anyway.

Also TP2P is correct, b/c, c/c, b/c is going to get 2nd pair to call 2 streets a lot more than b/c, b/x, so when we know we're against a weak range, b/c, and b/x the turn is alot better, 'cos generally he's not folding the river if we bet once we check then turn.

Interesting, how come the J is a bad card to barrel against someone with such a huge range?

ok..

so you are actually OOP, and isolating guy in position with 89o amirite?

assuming you're in position.. when second J comes, and he checks, you can bet something like half pot or bit less cause he ain't gonna call with too many hands, and if he calls, then leads on river it's pretty easy decision. if he only calls and checks river shoot 3rd barrel and fold to any agr. at least that's how I'd play prolly.
and if you're doing stuff like that OOP, good luck with makin your life easier..

Wow I think barreling another Jack is terrible. I didnt read the link, but if someone called the flop then why would he fold the turn. The Jack doesnt really change anything.

Because fish peel a ton on the flop without just high cards. They don't realize the second jack changes nothing, and also a second barrel is stronger than the first barrel.

It's not good against better players but that's because a good player's check/call range on that much is stronger than a fish's and good players also aren't scared of that second jack.

I'd double barrel a fish but I wouldn't double barrel you.

basically this:
they rarely fold anything they called the flop with. If they have bottom pair, say, then it becomes less likely that you had them beat on the flop when the turn pairs so stuff like A high+ is prob not folding, any sort of draws unlikely to fold too.

barrelling as a bluff is most effective when the board texture changes significantly ie. overcards/draws hitting

baring reads of calling flops and giving up turns, this is not good. 2x is folding pretty much never, Ax maybe sometimes. draws (inc. gutshots, turned fds, w/e) are never folding. You will prob fold out KQ/KT/.. and not a whole lot else.

The Jack is a terrible card to barrel for a couple reasons, one a lot of players calling ranges on the flop is top pair type hand so by barreling the turn jack your just leaking money and two by the turn being a jack it makes it less likely for you to have any part of the board, I would expect to get called down from 88-TT plus any 7 when the top card pairs.
You should be barreling all overs on the turn, so any queen, king or ace. It gets those middling pair hands to fold plus an occasional weak jack

Sorry, yes, I agree. Should've qualified that by saying I'd double barrel a weak/tight fish, not a stationy one. Against a random microstaker I would not double barrel; that is definitely not my default play at this level.

It is either 1 or 3 imo.

OK, let me tell you some facts:

1. OP ISOLATES "FISH", that means he want's play against supposedly weaker player.
2. He does it with 98o

so what the **** is he going to do against him with 98o in this particular situation?

[ ] hope to flop a full house or straight?
[ ] pick up dead money ?

now if he's goin to do the second thing, he can't make it by check folding obv.. and if that money is alive, you can only find out by betting. else why the **** would he play the way he played?

Nobody said betting the flop was bad. I said fire one or three barrels depending on the opponent.

isolating a fish with 98 isn't terrible imo. Sounds like your placing too much emphasis on what we have instead of what "range" of cards villain cud hold.

I personally don't think the jack barrel is horribe! fish will call any backdoor draw on flop hoping to improve, the jack is a great card to represent given we've shown two streets of strength already! overuse this line and its a leak but I don't hate it

i also agree that isoing with 89o in position is generally not going to be a problem

the jack is a bad db as it doesnt change his flop calling range and makes it unlikely that you have a jack in your hand

what in the world are u talking about? how can i be oop and iso in position at the same time??? who says i was oop? read op, example stats im on BUTTON.

this is all 6 max HU pots, not full ring