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02-21-2009 , 11:11 AM
Full stack villain is 32/17

I'm not worried about the short stack but I'm more worried about the full stack. The short stack sweetened the pot which will almost make both the big stacks pot committed, well almost. If another diamond comes on the turn, I can give it up easy but if it doesn't what is my line? 8 gives me botom straight flush which could be the 2nd nuts under K. Should I call and hope to keep the pot small as possible or shove over?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 45090
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BTN: $8.65
Hero (SB): $25.00
BB: $25.00
UTG: $18.40
UTG+1: $9.10
UTG+2: $9.70
MP1: $16.55
MP2: $35.40
CO: $4.80

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with 6 7
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($1.50) J Q T (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets $1, BTN calls $1, Hero calls $1, BB folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds

Turn: ($4.50) 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $3, MP2 calls $3, BTN raises to $6, Hero ??
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02-21-2009 , 11:21 AM
Intresting spot.

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Should I call and hope to keep the pot small as possible or shove over?
At this point I want to play for a big pot but I also want to get MP to call and still be in the hand so by shoving now I think MP might fold. Would love to other thoughts on this hand.
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02-21-2009 , 11:48 AM
You have a 7 high flush, bet big, get called in one spot and raised in another? Are you sure you want to play for a big pot?

Right now you should pot control not to keep pot small; if he has you beat, you're almost certain to get stacked if you don't fold unless he has a flush weaker than a jack, and even then I'm not sure. Without reads this is a tough fold, and basically I would never make it vs unknowns. I'm not sure about re raising, but I'll call to reevaluate. The MP2's call doesn't reveal much so you don't know what he has; you can fold safely if another diamond comes and strong bets come; the short stack at the very least has a stronger diamond. I would get value on the river, since if villain closes the action he may be more inclined to call a big bet on the river.
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02-21-2009 , 12:35 PM
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You have a 7 high flush, bet big, get called in one spot and raised in another? Are you sure you want to play for a big pot?
Yes, BTN has only $4.5 left after hero betting $3 on the turn so hero is rather commited to call that with a made flush IMO.

MP2 could easily have a hand like Kx9x, 8x9x or two pair type hands that might make a crying call here on the turn or river. I think we are beaten MP2 range of hands and thats were we get paid I could be wrong!!!!
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02-21-2009 , 02:49 PM
Shove it on the turn????
maximize value from Kdx, Xd, etc, etc.

Any other advice with these stacks is horrendous

you DONT want to play a small pot when this board is so damn drawy... people are commiting with the straight + FD whcih you want to get value from. You DO NOT want to check behind for pot control in this hand, you need to bet to protect your hand.

Shove it & Ship it IMO
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02-21-2009 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by RoSeeker
You have a 7 high flush, bet big, get called in one spot and raised in another? Are you sure you want to play for a big pot?

Right now you should pot control not to keep pot small; if he has you beat, you're almost certain to get stacked if you don't fold unless he has a flush weaker than a jack, and even then I'm not sure. Without reads this is a tough fold, and basically I would never make it vs unknowns. I'm not sure about re raising, but I'll call to reevaluate. The MP2's call doesn't reveal much so you don't know what he has; you can fold safely if another diamond comes and strong bets come; the short stack at the very least has a stronger diamond. I would get value on the river, since if villain closes the action he may be more inclined to call a big bet on the river.
im sorry... this is just horrendous advice
Dont do it
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02-21-2009 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by RoSeeker
You have a 7 high flush, bet big, get called in one spot and raised in another? Are you sure you want to play for a big pot?

Right now you should pot control not to keep pot small; if he has you beat, you're almost certain to get stacked if you don't fold unless he has a flush weaker than a jack, and even then I'm not sure. Without reads this is a tough fold, and basically I would never make it vs unknowns. I'm not sure about re raising, but I'll call to reevaluate. The MP2's call doesn't reveal much so you don't know what he has; you can fold safely if another diamond comes and strong bets come; the short stack at the very least has a stronger diamond. I would get value on the river, since if villain closes the action he may be more inclined to call a big bet on the river.
You can't go for pot control on this turn, look how many draws are out there. Plus think about how many river cards will kill your action or give you the worst hand.
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02-21-2009 , 06:54 PM
FWIW I mistyped it, and meant that we want to flat call not to pot control, but to call and shove any river. Also I misread the bet sizes/stack sizes, so ignore that anyway. Yeah shove turn easy.
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02-21-2009 , 08:09 PM
Party Poker $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 45556
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ZEMEN272 (BTN): $8.65
Hero (SB): $25.00
carlito49 (BB): $25.00
Johnny1984-3 (UTG): $18.40
Mito_Cavalas (UTG+1): $9.10
ripley31 (UTG+2): $9.70
redbakspi (MP1): $16.55
nicsid (MP2): $35.40
Kalmadi (CO): $4.80

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with 6 7
2 folds, ripley31 calls $0.25, redbakspi calls $0.25, nicsid calls $0.25, 1 fold, ZEMEN272 calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.15, carlito49 checks

Flop: ($1.50) J Q T (6 players)
Hero checks, carlito49 checks, ripley31 checks, redbakspi checks, nicsid bets $1.00, ZEMEN272 calls $1, Hero calls $1, carlito49 folds, ripley31 folds, redbakspi folds

Turn: ($4.50) 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $3.00, nicsid calls $3, ZEMEN272 raises to $6, Hero raises to $23.75, nicsid calls $20.75, ZEMEN272 calls $1.40 all in

River: ($59.40) 8 (3 players - 1 is all in)

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $59.40
wouldn't you like to know
someone wins $31.05
someone wins $25.40
(Rake: $2.95)
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02-23-2009 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RoSeeker
FWIW I mistyped it, and meant that we want to flat call not to pot control, but to call and shove any river. Also I misread the bet sizes/stack sizes, so ignore that anyway. Yeah shove turn easy.
lol mistyped...
Its okay to be wrong from time to time... we're all here to learn
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02-23-2009 , 07:38 PM
well played.
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02-23-2009 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Boxerz
8 gives me botom straight flush which could be the 2nd nuts under K.
No it doesn't.
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