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2/4 Limit - How do you beat EXTREMELY loose tables? 2/4 Limit - How do you beat EXTREMELY loose tables?

12-28-2009 , 06:41 AM
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On pokerlistings.com limit texas hold em advice, it says hands like 76s go up in value if its a big multi-way pot, and if you have premium hand to raise to get drawing hands out of the way.

Question is, How the hell do you beat a table with the whole table calling even if u do raise preflop?



A note to myself is that, i have to build a very big bankroll if i want to be profitable(it seems) in poker whether limit or no limit.

Going to play poker with a lil bit of cash and getting sucked out on tilts me ****ing big time
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12-28-2009 , 09:31 AM
wait for good/above average hands then value bet, simple as that.
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12-28-2009 , 12:23 PM
Ask yourself what are the hands that can make monsters multiway?

Answer, pairs (especially big pairs), suited connectors, suited gappers, suited Aces. They all go up in value.

Unsuited hands (QJo etc) go down in value.

Good Luck
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12-28-2009 , 12:34 PM
I would also be worried about beating the rake if this is at a casino.
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12-28-2009 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by The Three Alls
I would also be worried about beating the rake if this is at a casino.
It is

Where i play it, it's $2 for Jackpot if pot exceeds $10(which it always does), and 1$ increments of rake for every ten dollars in the pot i think and the max being $5 rake, so $7 is taken out of the pot if its more than 50 dollars.

Theirs a high hand every 2 hours, and a lot of people play for that, or a royal flush or for the progressive Jackpot.
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12-28-2009 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DiamondDog
Ask yourself what are the hands that can make monsters multiway?

Answer, pairs (especially big pairs), suited connectors, suited gappers, suited Aces. They all go up in value.

Unsuited hands (QJo etc) go down in value.

Good Luck
So fold my big pairs/big hands if it's a big-multiway and i dont hit a set/nut straight/nut flush and i bump into resistance and dont have the full nuts?

People here are surprised how much i fold. And you really see check-raising used a lot here.
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12-28-2009 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by joshua305
So fold my big pairs/big hands if it's a big-multiway and i dont hit a set/nut straight/nut flush and i bump into resistance and dont have the full nuts?

People here are surprised how much i fold. And you really see check-raising used a lot here.
Come on over to the Small Stakes Limit Hold-em Forum. Lots of people there with similar questions. There are some vets that have successfully beaten these stakes, and will give you some good advice. Especially if you post a hand that you thought you played badly or had questions about on any street.

Good Luck.
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12-28-2009 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by joshua305
It is

Where i play it, it's $2 for Jackpot if pot exceeds $10(which it always does), and 1$ increments of rake for every ten dollars in the pot i think and the max being $5 rake, so $7 is taken out of the pot if its more than 50 dollars.

Theirs a high hand every 2 hours, and a lot of people play for that, or a royal flush or for the progressive Jackpot.
thats sounds nearly unbeatable
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12-28-2009 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by joshua305
So fold my big pairs/big hands if it's a big-multiway and i dont hit a set/nut straight/nut flush and i bump into resistance and dont have the full nuts?

People here are surprised how much i fold. And you really see check-raising used a lot here.
Definately not.

AA on a KT6 board is still VERY profitable.

You need to read Small Stakes Hold'em by Miller, et al. It's the perfect book for you.

And I have serious doubts that your game is beatable with that rake.
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12-29-2009 , 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Niediam
Definately not.

AA on a KT6 board is still VERY profitable.

You need to read Small Stakes Hold'em by Miller, et al. It's the perfect book for you.

And I have serious doubts that your game is beatable with that rake.
Against 6-8 opponents?
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12-29-2009 , 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by joshua305
Against 6-8 opponents?
YES!
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12-29-2009 , 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Niediam
YES!
Well theres sessions where i dont get AA at all. And they might have two pair or flop a set. The biggest pot i won here was when i flopped a set of Aces, and their were people with two pair, flush draw, straight draw, flush and straight at the same time and a pair on the board(the river), and i full housed it at the river against someone else who had a smaller full house. Was around 60-80 bucks in the main pot, and a side pot which i didnt get. But it seems pretty rare for crazy board cards like that and almost everyone having a piece of it .

How about AK and AQ? Sometimes people hit their two pair with their Ace Rag or whatever, or someone flop a set, and they reraise me on the turn.

Last edited by joshua305; 12-29-2009 at 04:50 AM.
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12-29-2009 , 04:47 AM
When is it right to make a crying call? More on very loose, maniacal players and less on the solid players?
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12-29-2009 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by joshua305
Well theres sessions where i dont get AA at all. And they might have two pair or flop a set. The biggest pot i won here was when i flopped a set of Aces, and their were people with two pair, flush draw, straight draw, flush and straight at the same time and a pair on the board(the river), and i full housed it at the river against someone else who had a smaller full house. Was around 60-80 bucks in the main pot, and a side pot which i didnt get. But it seems pretty rare for crazy board cards like that and almost everyone having a piece of it .
How much do you sit down with? You should be sitting with $60-$70, minimum. There's no reason for you not to be competing for the whole pot in a limit game. You're just leaving money on the table.
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12-29-2009 , 12:45 PM
It's all about value betting and getting your money in strong.

I believe there is an old video on the Full Tilt Academy that is great for Limit advice. Check it out
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12-29-2009 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Freewill1978
How much do you sit down with? You should be sitting with $60-$70, minimum. There's no reason for you not to be competing for the whole pot in a limit game. You're just leaving money on the table.
I usually buy in for 40 or 60 in white chips. So maybe i should be buying in with 100 in red chips? The people there would be like "why arent u playing no limit?" People are always advising me to also.

Most people just buy in for 20 at the table and reload over and over.
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12-29-2009 , 01:18 PM
VALUE BET when you hit your monsters and fold everything else. There is so much fat value with these people, don't worry about thin value.They will not fold for anything. The other day I was playing 4/8 and flopped quads and 5 people were capping every street with straight/flush draws and 2 pairs.
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12-29-2009 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by V0dkanockers
VALUE BET when you hit your monsters and fold everything else. There is so much fat value with these people, don't worry about thin value.They will not fold for anything. The other day I was playing 4/8 and flopped quads and 5 people were capping every street with straight/flush draws and 2 pairs.
Monsters being what? So you're saying to bet on every street if i hit something instead of doing fancy stuff like check raising?
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12-29-2009 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by joshua305
Well theres sessions where i dont get AA at all. And they might have two pair or flop a set. The biggest pot i won here was when i flopped a set of Aces, and their were people with two pair, flush draw, straight draw, flush and straight at the same time and a pair on the board(the river), and i full housed it at the river against someone else who had a smaller full house. Was around 60-80 bucks in the main pot, and a side pot which i didnt get. But it seems pretty rare for crazy board cards like that and almost everyone having a piece of it .

How about AK and AQ? Sometimes people hit their two pair with their Ace Rag or whatever, or someone flop a set, and they reraise me on the turn.
It's possible for a proven winning live professional to have a losing YEAR! You simply can't worry about how you lost a couple big hands during the last session.

AK/AQ are also both very profitable hands. Of course that's assuming that you are playing them fairly correctly. Again you need to read Small Stakes Hold'em.
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12-29-2009 , 03:07 PM
Shove pre with aces imo.
Oh wait..
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12-29-2009 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by joshua305
Monsters being what? So you're saying to bet on every street if i hit something instead of doing fancy stuff like check raising?
Sets, made flushes or straights, two pair, etc. What I would do would depend on the your reads. Most times lead out and hope you get raised. People will call and raise with all sorts of junk. Unless people start to catch on then maybe check raise. But most of these droolers don't notice the nose on their face.
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12-29-2009 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by joshua305
I usually buy in for 40 or 60 in white chips. So maybe i should be buying in with 100 in red chips? The people there would be like "why arent u playing no limit?" People are always advising me to also.

Most people just buy in for 20 at the table and reload over and over.
Given the choice between 1/2 nl and that rakehole of a limit game you've described, I would go with 1/2 nl. Even with the $100 max buy-in.

No one who realistically expects to profit from the game plays 2/4 limit, and certainly not 2/4 limit with essentially a 14% rake.
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