Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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CO: $10.15
Hero (BTN): $9.65
SB: $13.65
BB: $28.30
UTG: $10.95

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 8 9
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB raises to $1.20, Hero raises to $2.40, 1 fold, BB calls $1.20

Flop: ($5.10) 4 9 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($5.10) T (2 players)
BB bets $2.20, Hero calls $2.20

River: ($9.50) Q (2 players)
BB bets $23.70 all in, Hero calls $5.05 all in

Villain is a winning player and had stats of 30/24/20 over 120 hands. He had like a 100% squeeze at this table. He 3bet me from the blinds 4 times already in under 100 hands. I KNOW he is FOS. I min 4bet to give myself room to fold and this is my first 4bet in like 100 hands there's no WAY he can call it without a monster. At least that's what I tell myself anyway. I really don't see any way he can have me beat by the river but I have this sick sick feeling in my gut and I actually tank for 30 seconds before calling.

I've been asking for LAG guides recently and seen people play crazy aggro just bet bet bet don't ever fold but when I post some hands or complain on the forums people tell me I'm an aggro donk and that I shouldn't expect people to fold to me when I'm running 35/30/15. People like this guy are so **** transparent though he literally just kept 3betting/squeezing pre then triple barreling most boards and never folding and he takes me for 5 stacks before my session is done I don't see how the **** guys like this can be winners in the long run but they are.

lol at 120 hand sample. also if he's calling pre with a monster why can't he have QQ?

He didn't have QQ, not even KJ. He called with K9o I forgot to tell the hand converter to show hands.

The point is, he makes what appears to be a **** god awful -EV play yet he crushes me and beats this limit at a decent winrate. I mean HOW THE **** DID HE KNOW HE WAS AHEAD PREFLOP?

Why would you waste time and money making poor plays like min 4betting an aggressive villain at 10nl? Why not switch tables or focus on the other soft spots at the table and just valuetown this dude when you get an opportunity?

An atrocious hand indeed. I'd guess villain wins when people decide to be a hero and spew to him. He plays bad but in this instance you happened to play worse.

So you think this is a good play for the villain? and I don't switch tables cuz I'm not a spineless pussy. Tightening up like a nit is just what he wants and all the guides I read on how to deal with these guys is to LOOSEN up not tighten up.

Best hand the whole way won.

The reality is you played this hand poorly.

So guys at midstakes and highstakes never 4bet bluff someone who squeezes 100% and has a 3bet from the BB of 50%? I have a read he has **** and it was right so I made a bad play even though my read is right and he shouldn't have called?

Perhaps you should check your ego. Poker isn't about not being a "spineless pussy" or anything of that nature. If switching tables is what it takes to yield a higher expectation, then you should switch. Get real, you're playing 10nl.

Villains play is not good. Pray tell, why do you feel your play is good here?

If you're correct in believing that this is poor play by the villain then what you're seeing is variance and you can work through it because your better play will eventually win out over a large enough sample. Simple.

What they're saying is that if you keep finding yourself in losing spots and you don't know how to handle this guy's play, there are other seats. You don't have to be the best, just better than someone else at the table.

Me, I don't know if this is good play for the villain; I'm crushing 5NL and pretty much break-even with 10NL so I'm not about to start giving you advice. =)

QFT.

GL tho.

If I can't beat these guys now then I'll never beat them. 25NL and 50NL are FILLED with these types of players and yes I've played at both stakes over a decent sample.

The play is VERY -EV for him right? Whatever must be -EV for him has to by definition be +EV for me.

Say villain had 72o and you had 62o, but you saw his cards and you KNEW he had 72o. Would you STILL not 4bet bluff in that situation? If I'm not supposed to 4bet bluff in button vs blind against a sLAG who's range I'm probably flipping with even with 89s and who has squeezed me every time the opportunity has come up and 3bet half of my opens then you're pretty much saying you should never 4bet bluff.

What makes you think he's going to fold ANYTHING to a min 4bet. If you think he's 3betting you light than 4bet to 2.3x - 2.5x or call and raise flops. Somehow you actually hit trips and don't even bet. If you lose in a 4bet pot with trips its a cooler. Just put your money in.

I don't know why everyone is telling you to change seats off a terrible player. If he can't beat these players he wont beat anyone.

no, I would never do that anywhere. Your read was bad. sorry

he didnt he wanted to outflop you and crack your w/e

Don't 4 bet this hand. Also, play tighter pre/get it in lighter if he is really that aggro.

Call any 2 pre and bet bet bet the nuts, villain owned u /thread

please make a real bet next time. Minbeting is just wrong. You are giving him very inviting implied odds and he is correct to call with a wide range. Maybe not K9 off but still a lot off hands. If you are gonna 4-bet make it around 3x. Personally i would just call though. Cause from the way you describe they guy he doesn't he sounds like someone that struggles to find the fold button.

Flop check was bad. just bet and give him the chance to call or raise. As played though you gotta raise the turn. River is an easy call. Just live with the cooler and go on to the next hand

Both you and the villain played terribly.

Atrocious min 4bet
Horrible flop check
Mind boggling turn call...

Honestly, why would you even bother playing against someone like this when 10NL is so incredibly soft? If you are going to 4bet as a bluff against this player then you should be getting it in and not min4betting

4bet shoving this hand isn't the worst thing ever. given the way we look to this guy I think he can find a fold.

Can everyone please stfu about the min bet it wasn't actually a min bet if you do the math. And he did NOT have odds to call K9o against any decent range even with my small 4bet. He literally had to put me on a worse 9 or an underpair to make that call.

Someone give me a better example of a 4bet bluff preflop. You're all saying there's no such thing as a 4bet bluff even though I've seen pros do it and I've read about it in the medium stakes forums and when I briefly played 50NL HU people talked about it. If this isn't the spot to 4bet bluff WHEN THE HELL IS IT CORRECT TO EVER 4BET BLUFF?

stay away from 4 bet bluffing for now, you don't know when its profitable yet

oh and 4 bet bluffing at 50nl hu is pretty stupid if you do it with any real frequeny fwiw

You don't like advice very much do you? People are trying to be nice why not do the same in return. You played the hand just perfect is that better?

I didn't say I was gonna start 4bet bluffing a ton I just asked when can it be profitable to 4bet bluff..... ever. Because from what I'm hearing it when the guy to your left is 3betting you every hand you should just nit up and play like a bitch.

When the hell did I say I did it with frequency? Are you saying you're NEVER gonna 4bet that aggro donk who has 60% 3bet over a large sample size? You're just gonna flat him or fold no matter what?

All I'm asking for is an example of 4bet bluffing that's profitable. So far all I've gotten is "youll never be able to 4bet bluff so dont ever think about it and pretend like it doesnt exist."

Nobody is even telling me why my bluff is bad they're just saying that villain had the correct odds to call (he didn't) or he could 5bet re-re-bluff me. Both of which are pretty stupid statements.

Now just stop for a second and breathe...

Ok, read that quote another time with a clear head, there's 1 clear reason this villain beat u, can you see y?

So when the 25/20 guy who has folded 90% to 3bets over 120 hands so far 4bets you... he has a worse 9 or an underpair..... and you should flat with K9o for implied odds.


Instead of everyone bashing me and saying villain had odds for the billionth time tell me what you would have done here. Fold or flat and try to take it off postflop even though you know he's prone to triple barrels? If you're folding does that mean you're switching to 12/10 at this table until he leaves?