This time, no trap, no trick, just straight forward:

You cannot beat the roulette wheel long term. Not by using any obscure system, nor by trying to determine which section of the wheel will get hit.

Is there really anyone around on this forum who disagrees? Anyone who believes that there are people who "make a living playing roulette"?

Really?

I'll agree that you can't win by trying to determine a section, but if you actually succeed it should work just fine.

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What about the reverse double martingale with the croupier switch on odd spins?

+1.3% over 100000 Billion runs.

There is a lot of empirical and mathematical proof showing a computer can get an edge over a roulette wheel. Most people who have looked into this concluded that a human could get some of that edge with practice. For example Ed Thorp wrote (wheel-watching) "approximate calculations yielded an advantage of 15%".

The other way is to find a biased wheel.

Yes, there are such people who do such things and make a living.

other games require far less effort to gain an edge on than roulette

There's no edge in roulette.


It's a circle!

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i dont think so either

I run good at roulette if that counts and I usually don't play for very long.

I don't believe I could make a living at it (lolol that's actually funny, roulette pro) but the action junkie side of me really likes it. Def my fav table game (results oriented ldo)

I've always wondered if they ever analyze the data from the computer on the wheels. You have knowledge of any wheel bias right there. It wouldn't take a genius to tell a buddy of his to bet that section and win.

i'm only concerned about winning short term with roulette

those of you trying to go through 1 billion spins and win long term are idiots

post of the year!

i know somebody how made a living out of the roulette. his edge was he could determine were the ball was landing 1 out of 20 times. He doesnt play anymore because the croupiers nowadays end the betting very quick. and he is pretty old now, over 60.

lol. 1 out of 20. no way thats even conceivably possible.

well he said that he could because in the past you were able to place bets very late in europe. but i didnt see it myself i must admit.

just think about how ridiculous that sounds. essentially hes eliminating half of the numbers. thats like saying i have a way to eliminate heads ever coming up on a flip of a fair coin.

well for instance if you could place a bet in the last second i think you could easily say in which quarter the ball will land.

but i must admit, 1 out of 20 sounds a bit too good to be true.

or you could wait until the ball lands, then place your bet, and win 100% of the time.

past-posting ftw

Bring $36 with you and bet $1 on 1 number over and over till it hits. Most of the time you win.

I know you are being sarcastic, but actually you will only hit about 38% of the time before going broke, by the binomial distribution.

Not really, it's like saying you'll get a coin flip right 80-90% of the time

I still think that's crazy, mind you.

hehe youre right i was just trying to come up with analogy about how ridiculous it sounded.

That's quite a bit better than we were getting with computers -- but we were still in the +15-20% range. This, BTW, when it was legal -- better stated, not illegal.

It doesn't take that big of an edge to beat the game. You predict a number, and bet the number along with the four numbers before and after to represent a section of the wheel. You obviously hit numbers other than the one you predicted more frequently, but these can be charted. If your data represents any part of a normal distribution -- you're probably on to something. The distribution can tell you if you're early or late in your prediction.

Are there people making money with this knowledge? Yes. Can it be learned? Probably not. It's like a musician who can sight-read 64th notes. You either have it or you don't.

There is a 1985 book, "The Eudaemonic Pie" by Thomas Bass, that gives a scientific system to beat roulette.

It was designed by some graduate physics students who used Newtonian laws to predict where the ball would land.

The ball is tossed in a counterclockwise motion, the wheel is turning in a clockwise motion, and they would time when the ball crossed the "00."

From this, the computer, concealed in a shoe, predicted a sextant that the ball would land in, based on the ball's velocity and when it would fall.

They claimed to be successful at this but did get caught when the shoe computer overheated! Use of computers is illegal in Nevada casinos.

They claimed great success but soon realized that the intellect that could beat roulette could make much more elsewhere. My understanding is that they left the game and are doing much better in the financial markets. And without the casino pressure.

I always wonder why people try to beat the house at roulette when you are fighting a 5.26% house percentage and can get 1.41% at craps and as low as 0.2% at Blackjack if you spend a little time and learn a basic strategy.

Because a computer can't predict dice.