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11-09-2012 , 01:45 PM
Here are some probabilities to think about.

What is the probability Neil S has already complained to the mods about this thread - 99%.

What is the probability the mods will delete this thread - 80%.

Anyone want to wager?
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11-09-2012 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by mario38
What game did you find with a positive expected value?

I am keeping my game a secret only because I am not allowed to mention it here. It is a type of gambling game that is not allowed to be discussed on this gambling forum. Go figure!
So why don't you just shut the **** up instead of making meaningless posts like this? Seriously, you're a goddamn joke.
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11-09-2012 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MidniteToker
So why don't you just shut the **** up instead of making meaningless posts like this? Seriously, you're a goddamn joke.
Meaningless? Some of the members with more intelligence and manners figured out which game.
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11-09-2012 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by mario38
There was no discussion on pool play in the thread even though one member trying to bait me in discussing.
ORLY? According to your user notes you were trying to get Pokerstars money in exchange for entries into this lotto pool.

But back to my original question ITT... if you found a +EV play, why publicize what it is on the internet? Do you want the casino to catch on and remove it? Like I said, loose lips sink ships.
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11-09-2012 , 04:23 PM
There is very little chance the game will get pulled.

Why publicize on this forum? This is the part I am having trouble understanding. Most forums I have participated in had the objective of members helping other members. This does not appear to be the main objective of this forum. I could be wrong.

I found this forum when I was learning the poker game Omaha. I got involved in a big hand where I lost my entire stack. I wanted to find out if I made a mistake, searched the internet and found 2+2. I posted my situation in the appropriate forum. The advice I received was almost exactly opposite of what I expected. I did not know what to make of it.

Since that time I have played the game a lot and read a couple of books. I look back now and realize the responses to my original question were made purposely to throw me off my game and make me a bad player. Not only were they not trying to help, they were trying to hurt my play.

It was a concerted effort. One person would post advice (wrong advice in hindsight) and another person would chime in and claim the first response was from a person with lots of experience and how important it was for me to consider that person an expert.

These may be isolated cases. But, I ask, how many negative experiences should person have before assuming the environment itself is essentially negative.
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11-09-2012 , 04:51 PM
Let's put this in terms of your classic poker levels then:

You knew you were going to pitch your 'pool' eventually. We all knew the 'pool' pitch was coming. You knew we knew it. We knew you knew we knew it. And yet you acted indignant anyway when we called you out on it.

And then you did it anyway, after all that.
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11-09-2012 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Lattimer
ORLY? According to your user notes you were trying to get Pokerstars money in exchange for entries into this lotto pool.
I was referring to the thread posted in this forum - Other Gambling Games - where there was no pool discussion. Neil S complained he did not like the content and the mods deleted the thread.
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11-09-2012 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Neil S
Let's put this in terms of your classic poker levels then:

You knew you were going to pitch your 'pool' eventually. We all knew the 'pool' pitch was coming. You knew we knew it. We knew you knew we knew it. And yet you acted indignant anyway when we called you out on it.

And then you did it anyway, after all that.
Since the time I was told there is a policy against lotto pools, I have never posted a topic about lotto pools. I never did find the policy documented in the rules spread across the various forums when I first joined and that is why I originally posted about them.

But, others like yourself, keep bringing that topic back up to either sidetrack my threads or have them deleted.
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11-09-2012 , 06:20 PM
Please reread your original post. What in it possibly makes you think that it is worthy of a thread?

You are going to be playing a +EV game this weekend. Congratulations. Cool story bro.

Your OP is more like a tweet. We are not your Twitter followers.

OK, I gotta run now. I just ate a burger and then took a nap. Gonna go post about it on the interwebz.
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11-09-2012 , 08:18 PM
Oh, it's this guy again.

Here's a novel idea: instead of constantly bitching and moaning about how you aren't going to post stuff on 2+2 and how it's totally pointless to post anything on 2+2, why not just stop posting stuff on 2+2?
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11-09-2012 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by mario38
Evidence to the contrary. A thread was created to discuss the game. Some members complained - some of the same members that are replying to this thread with sarcastic responses. The moderators deleted the thread. The reason given by the moderator was some members did not like the content.

There was no discussion on pool play in the thread even though one member trying to bait me in discussing.
you absolutely did spam your lotto pool. You took about a month of posting before you spammed it but you did. You didnt come right out and say it but you gave away the way to get involved. You even mentioned you had spots open.

good luck
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11-09-2012 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Neil S
Let's put this in terms of your classic poker levels then:

You knew you were going to pitch your 'pool' eventually. We all knew the 'pool' pitch was coming. You knew we knew it. We knew you knew we knew it. And yet you acted indignant anyway when we called you out on it.

And then you did it anyway, after all that.
Neil did you complain too. I was trying to take all of the credit for it but I guess I can share it with you.
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11-09-2012 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Barbiaux
you absolutely did spam your lotto pool. You took about a month of posting before you spammed it but you did. You didnt come right out and say it but you gave away the way to get involved. You even mentioned you had spots open.

good luck
In the first thread, yes, I mentioned pool play. It was deleted. I was told not to mention pool play.

Created a new thread. Never mentioned pool play even though the 2+2 police tried to bait me in discussing pool play. Thread was still deleted because people like you and Neil went crying to their mommy. Pathetic.

Barbiaux, you need to find something to occupy your time instead of reading threads you apparently are not interested in.

You should also look up the definition of spam. You appear to be confused.
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11-10-2012 , 01:42 AM
Don't listen to omaha players. They're all liars.

Here's a +EV game.

My bowling scores on Wednesday:
129
202
269

Wanna play me for $10, $100, $1000?
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11-10-2012 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by mario38

I found this forum when I was learning the poker game Omaha. I got involved in a big hand where I lost my entire stack. I wanted to find out if I made a mistake, searched the internet and found 2+2. I posted my situation in the appropriate forum. The advice I received was almost exactly opposite of what I expected. I did not know what to make of it.

Since that time I have played the game a lot and read a couple of books. I look back now and realize the responses to my original question were made purposely to throw me off my game and make me a bad player. Not only were they not trying to help, they were trying to hurt my play.
I hope you don't mean http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...ption-1230223/

You didn't even try to describe the situation, it's not clear what the stakes were or how much more $ it was to call. There's no mention of reads. It's clear you didn't bother checking a few topics to see how other people do it.

You're paranoid if you now, in hindsight with PLO experience, think people were trying to sabotage anything. They were obviously making fun of you and your silly post, and the mod even pointed that out and told them to stop. You even admit here you expected people to tell you "it was okay to go broke", which pretty much makes it a bad beat post. Those don't usually get many serious responses.
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11-10-2012 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Vanhaomena
I hope you don't mean http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...ption-1230223/

You didn't even try to describe the situation, it's not clear what the stakes were or how much more $ it was to call. There's no mention of reads. It's clear you didn't bother checking a few topics to see how other people do it.
I described the situation clearly and how much money was bet on each round. You obviously feel the need to defend their behavior for whatever reason.
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11-11-2012 , 01:30 AM
The expected value turned out to be even higher than I expected - a record setting 114%.

Good luck.
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11-11-2012 , 02:53 AM
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11-11-2012 , 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Barbiaux
Neil did you complain too. I was trying to take all of the credit for it but I guess I can share it with you.
I mocked in thread. I didn't report it. So, it's all you.
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11-11-2012 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by mario38
The expected value turned out to be even higher than I expected - a record setting 114%.

Good luck.
Will the record setting expected value of 114% be broken next week?

I predict it will be.

Good luck.
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11-11-2012 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mario38
Will the record setting expected value of 114% be broken next week?

I predict it will be.

Good luck.
And this is why your last thread was deleted. You're basically treating it like your own personal blog wrt this game.
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11-11-2012 , 10:34 PM
well I went 0 for my twenty bones

gotta remember my wednesday purchase
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11-11-2012 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by grando1.0
well I went 0 for my twenty bones

gotta remember my wednesday purchase
Won way more than that but then, spent a lot more too. Looking forward to Wednesday.
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11-12-2012 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mario38
Won way more than that but then, spent a lot more too. Looking forward to Wednesday.
'Won more.' Not made more, won more.

Never in any of these blogs have we seen any discussion of how much to bet, due to Kelly or some other sound metric for sizing the bet, nor have we gotten any numbers for OP's long-run profits made from all his research on the topic.

Snake. Oil.
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11-12-2012 , 04:24 PM
It's not snake oil. No idea why this guy is getting ripped so hard in this thread. He's giving away information about a +ev game, he shouldn't have to do all the work on kelly or anything else. The information alone is valuable and contributes more to the forum than all of the 50 posts that follow combined. Cut this guy some slack.
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