pokerbros and other asian apps you can easily play.
its not allowed but they leave us no other choice

btw its december 5th, the day that sites should have stopped offering rb to dutch players but fish buffet / platinum fish still active for me on gg so maybe they dont take it seriously or it will be removed later this day

has anything really changed since december 5th?

KSA and its crackdown on professional poker in The Netherlands.
Turn poker into a gambling act, get rid of all the sites where you can still play profitably.

https://www.casinonieuws.nl/poker/ac...pelautoriteit/

puke

Nope, not that I know of. Which is a good thing imo. If parties like GG keep pushing the boundaries the KSA will have to be more concrete is what is/isn't allowed. Now all their legal frameworks and communications about the subjects are extremely multi interpretable. Hope that the KSA will keep a blind eye to poker rakeback (and focus on casino cashback), so other poker rooms can slowly add rakeback-ish structures to their promotions.

if GG can hold on to this rakeback program (meaning they believe it doesnt violate the rules) then unibet, hc online & bet365 can certainly switch their rakeback program on for dutch players as well

right now bet365 doesnt have a loyalty program for dutch players, but if they activate it i'll switch to bet365 asap

bet365 has no rakeback for anyone anymore, they simply don't have a reward program since a couple on months now

that sucks about bet365 but the same holds up for hc online or unibet.. they have a loyalty program but turn it off for the dutch

rakeback program on GG still active for Dutch (although i only checked this with players who are 25 years and older)
And they dont seem to get backlash for it, maybe its not the end of rakeback for dutch players
Would be great if stars came back with the current rakeback system, without it i doubt its worthwile

I asked GG support why they are allowed to offer a rakeback programme and other sites claim they are not..

I got this response after being redirected (its short because gg support isnt that great):

Fish Buffet is not considered a loyalty bonus and is currently unlikely to undergo any changes.

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So basically other sites can offer a rakeback programme as well, as long as it isnt considered a loyalty bonus. HConline can offer a standard ipoker rakeback programme and Unibet can offer their standard rakeback programme.
In its essence its nothing unlike the gg fish buffet.
You pay rake, you get something back.
You pay more rake, you get a little bit more than something back.

GG for pokerstars. Probably not coming back:

https://www.casinonieuws.nl/poker/pokerstars-2023/

bad bad news

I understand why you think its bad news . I would agree some years ago now i find those news irrelevant (for semi/professional players)

The solutions exist and the risk reward ratio is huge

Why is that?

I'm in the Dutch Antilles, and as recent as last month I was still playing. All of a sudden I tried to play today and I was met with the "Sorry, we do not offer Real Money Tournaments in your area". So now I'm trying to withdraw my money but I don't seem to be able to, as it only allows me to withdraw with the last method I used to deposit, but the last method I used to deposit was Moneybookers/Skrill and it's not even available anymore.

How do I get my money out of PokerStars now they no longer want my business?

Are you implying that it is not profitbale to play on Stars anymore anyhow?

What are the solutions that exist in your opinion?

I also wonder if Rene Jansen (person in charge of the Dutch gamnling authority) even knows the rules of poker

I also find it all very strange, the small unknown casino's getting licenses without a problem, big players like pokerstars and betsson getting a lot of trouble to get them and even retracted their appliances.

I think something really fishy going on, I think on Goverment/KSA side.

I know I will sound mentally crazy for saying this, but I wouldn't be surprised some corruption going on inside KSA and Dutch government.

Good news, rakeback/cashback is now legal, see announcement ksa.

https://www.casinonieuws.nl/online/k...s-van-verlies/

uhmm i've read the same article but where does it say rakeback is legal? And it explicitly says that cashback bonuses are not legal.

They say every bonus that is connected with loss is forbidden. They could easily argue that paying rake is a loss so rakeback is not allowed.

They had the same arguments in Belgium and rakeback is forbidden over there, so I do not see the same optimism you see in this article

Edit: And rakeback already was legal in the Netherlands, GG has always offered rakeback. Some sites like unibet & b365 just choose to give nothing away and claim its because of the law, but the same law allows rakeback on GG and they havent gotten a single warning about it.

KSA now explicitly states "a bonus based on losses" is not legal instead of "a cashback bonus". Specifically refering to what's actually illegal; the more a player loses the more he receives back.
Therefor, cashback/rakeback seems entirely legal, is not a bonus based on losses but just an amount of money a player gets back in exchange for wagering.

The reason that GG poker offers their reward/cashback system doesn't mean anything, they could have offered fishbuffet all this time regardless if it was legal or not.
KSA has made it pretty clear now, its not cashback that's the problem, but speficially rewarding losing players.
Also, the law specifically allows for reward/loyalty programs and bonusses.

Let's see if unibet and bet365 (and other poker sites) agree with your view, i sure hope so.

Are you sure? Some other guy named ricepaddy seems to think it does mean something

So pretty safe to say that Pokerstars will never come back to the Netherlands after this: https://www.pokernews.com/news/2024/...yers-45803.htm

what a terrible terrible decision.

I wonder if those players won money if they would have complained that they played on a site without a proper license and given the money back