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07-31-2016 , 08:39 AM
Proof of stake isn't as risky as you think. Vitalik has done lots of research on it, there's plenty of 20million marketcap altcoins using proof of stake for years, no big coin has been successful attacked via weaknesses in proof of stake.

Hardcore bitcoiners hate proof of stake, but they hate everything that isn't bitcoin. By railing against it, they have given the impression that it's flawed, but people who have looked into it in detail (like Vitalik) have found it perfectly workable, and that the huge improvements over proof of work mean it is virtually compulsory long term.

Ethereum has lots of issues, proof of stake is the least of them.
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07-31-2016 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ValarMorghulis
Proof of stake isn't as risky as you think. there's plenty of 20million marketcap altcoins using proof of stake for years, no big coin has been successful attacked via weaknesses in proof of stake.

Ethereum has lots of issues, proof of stake is the least of them.
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07-31-2016 , 01:42 PM
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07-31-2016 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by aggo
proof of work is the consensus method used by bitcoin and ethereum to propagate new blocks onto their blockchains. the "work" part is what miners do to independently verify and agree that each block that is added to the blockchain contains the correct "hash" and thus continue to build on the blockchain. Each new hash is partly determinate from the previous block that was just added to the chain, thus making the network very resistant to actors trying to go into the network and change previous transactions/blocks.

proof of stake is a different method of reaching consensus within the same confines of adding blocks to the blockchain. What exactly it is, I'm not ****ing sure. Basically people put up bonds of cryptocurrency to ensure that they are fair actors. And some other **** happens and new blocks with new transactions are still added. it has serious advantages over proof of work which is particularly resource heavy and very centralized(e.g. building a lot of chips and using alot of electricity). A lot of actual scientists and developers are doubtful that proof of stake can be as resistant to bad actors as proof of work is in bitcoin and currently ethereum

PM tom collins, he knows a lot about this ****.

TY sir.. excellent intro. The way this **** translates in my head, is some weird sci-fi oompa-loompa stuff.
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08-09-2016 , 10:59 AM
can delete.

Last edited by Shane Stewart; 08-09-2016 at 11:27 AM. Reason: Taken care of thanks.
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08-23-2016 , 07:57 AM
DNMs start accepting monero (xmr).

Alphabay Market:
https://np.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarke...ase_of_monero/

Oasis:
https://np.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarke...pt_monero_xmr/

price is up 500% past couple months and the bid book is ~10x deeper than previous months. Monero is still young, but this is big news.
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08-28-2016 , 02:13 AM
Steemit:
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Originally Posted by heltok
Insane market cap, very tempted to start shorting it. Would be very surprised if it doesn't fall >50% in 1 month.
Guess I should have shorted it...

Monero is gaining fast, I assume people speculate that some of the bulk trade on darknetmarket will shift towards Monero?
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09-01-2016 , 05:39 AM
ETC from white hat returned now.

ETH +20% in 3days with a market cap > $1e9.

Monero still going strong +100% in 4days, but it seems that the mania has settled down.
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09-01-2016 , 11:11 AM
Any idea on the size of those darknet markets? Are there any trackers? I know a couple years ago some academic paper estimated the size of silk road, but that has to be waaayy too far out of date now.
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09-01-2016 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by maxtower
Any idea on the size of those darknet markets? Are there any trackers? I know a couple years ago some academic paper estimated the size of silk road, but that has to be waaayy too far out of date now.
http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1607.html

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Of all products and services on offer, this study found that 57 per cent of listings across the eight analysed cryptomarkets offered drugs. The results indicate that these cryptomarkets generated a total monthly revenue of $14.2m (€12.6m) in January 2016, $12.0m (€10.5m) when prescription drugs and alcohol and tobacco are excluded (lower-boundary estimate). An upper-boundary estimate for monthly drug revenues via visible listings on all cryptomarkets would be $25.0m (€22.1m) and $21.1m (€18.5m) when prescription drugs and alcohol and tobacco are excluded. Cannabis, stimulants and ecstasy were responsible for 70 per cent of all revenues on the analysed cryptomarkets. No information was identified on revenues on the clear net. The values are based on EUR/USD exchange rate of 1.14 as of April 2016.

Cryptomarkets are not just an 'eBay for Drugs'
Large 'wholesale' level transactions (those greater than $1,000) are important for cryptomarkets, generating nearly one quarter of overall revenue both in September 2013 and in January 2016. Based on these findings it is likely that many cryptomarket customers are drug dealers sourcing stock intended for offline distribution.

Most revenues are generated by vendors who indicate they are operating from Anglo-Saxon countries or Western Europe
Most vendors appeared to be operating from the United States (890), followed by the United Kingdom (338), and Germany (225). Vendors indicating they ship from the United States generated 36% per cent of all drug revenues within our sample. Other Anglo-Saxon (Canada and the United Kingdom) as well as Western European countries (the Netherlands, Germany, Spain, France) also generate substantial proportions of revenues.

Revenues from vendors operating from the Netherlands are by far the largest on a per capita basis
Revenues to vendors reporting to operate from the Netherlands on cryptomarkets accounted for 8 per cent of total drug revenues. On a per capita basis, revenues to vendors operating from the Netherlands were 2.4 times higher than those from the United Kingdom and 4.5 higher than those from the United States.
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09-02-2016 , 10:01 AM
The thing about the dark markets, is once someone finds a seller they like, they no longer need to use the market. They just communicate directly with PGP, cut out the commissions and cut out the 3rd party risk. I would bet more/bigger deals are done this way, therefore the actual number of drug transactions are way larger then their estimates.
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09-20-2016 , 02:29 AM
tokens backed by fiat running on ethereum network?

yes plz
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09-20-2016 , 07:39 AM
Santander ftw!
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09-27-2016 , 11:57 AM
First Blood crowdsale sold out $5.5 million cap on Sunday night in less than 10 seconds. It was actually a few minutes, but effectively it was 10 seconds, just slightly delayed due to transaction per block issue.

Augur (REP tokens) likely to be released on October 4.
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09-27-2016 , 09:05 PM
That crowdsale was ridiculous. about 80% of the tokens were frontrun on Yunbi. Something like 60% of all tokens are owned by 3 people...easy pump and dump for sure but long term no chance of success imo
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09-28-2016 , 12:12 PM
Yeah the First Blood one was pretty bizarre.

Is anybody here actively investing (rather than trading) in alot of the recent ICO's or alt coins with a medium-long term out look? If so and want to discuss strategy/coins that me be good etc hit me up.
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09-28-2016 , 07:13 PM
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Augur (REP tokens) likely to be released on October 4.
cant ****ing wait.
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09-28-2016 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by iloveny161
That crowdsale was ridiculous. about 80% of the tokens were frontrun on Yunbi. Something like 60% of all tokens are owned by 3 people...easy pump and dump for sure but long term no chance of success imo
Frontrun isn't really the right word. Yunbi took preorders, but Yunbi still had to buyin to the presale at the same time as everyone else. Yunbi had roughly 80% of the total preordered on their exchange, but only was able to purchase about 75% of that amount, so 60% total.

But yes, the 5.5m cap and the power hour, made for a ridiculous crowdsale.

Also tokens are locked up and can't be traded for nearly 3 months, yet anyone who bought in on Yunbi is able to trade their IOUs thru Yunbi's exchange database.
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10-04-2016 , 10:53 AM
Augur (REP) is released. Will be transferable at noon EST
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10-04-2016 , 06:01 PM
If I have the numbers right it looks like augur REP is around 20x vs USD, 6x vs btc and ~even vs eth compared to presale on the markets today
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10-04-2016 , 11:55 PM
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If I have the numbers right it looks like augur REP is around 20x vs USD, 6x vs btc and ~even vs eth compared to presale on the markets today
And down 99% since the opening.
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10-05-2016 , 12:24 AM
burning question:

will the dapp ****ing work, or will it not.

idgaf about price right now
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10-05-2016 , 12:30 AM
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And down 99% since the opening.
that's not true based on volume.
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10-11-2016 , 01:56 AM
One of the most exciting things in crypto right now is "stablecoins" IMO.

Right now they function as tokens under ethereum, but they really have the ability to re-transform money over the internet. I'm trying to keep this as open and ambiguous as possible because I dont even know yet how to fully rationalize and reconcile their potential impact.

There will be financial entities that will issue tokens on the ethereum network. These tokens will be backed by real fiat &/or commodities. Presumably they will be held in banks or other trusted entities in the physical world. So you can have a token whose value that is backed by the exact balance of currencies inside IMF's SDR basket. Or you can have a token that tracks USD only, Yen only, Yuan only, etc. Or you can have a token that is backed by real precious metals. Or you can have a token that tracks a basket of cryptocurrencies much like an index fund does at a brokerage.

One odd result (paradox arguably) of this tokenization of fiat is that the underlying value of "1" token can be greater than that of "1" ethereum. I dont know how to reconcile that, but it seems totally likely/possible to me.

Just something to look out for in the coming years.

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