Yeah it will be difficult for you to understand my posts. Your suffering from cogD. And you'd take home a load more profit from your poker plays if you can get your head around those pretty simple steps I just outlined.

You must be missing some piece of the puzzle. If you were capable of all the exploitative Levels you wouldn't have said there was no value in my posts. I suspect the truth is that you're missing many pieces of the puzzle. I suspect you play a heavily GTO strategy and have almost no idea how to exploit. Hmmm, I can already see that you're blatantly Level Two or maybe you havnt even touched on exploitation at all. You blatantly don't consider how your perceived range will change before each decision. That would make you a killing.

You made this thread like you've made some revolutionary discovery with profound insight. I don't see it. Maybe it's helpful for beginners. What I'm saying is I don't know what to take away from it to make me (or anyone playing in today's games for more than nickels) more $. And basically anyone that's going to have the technical ability to beat a certain reasonable stake of something is already going to understand and operate using these "levels."

Then like I said, why would I crush you? From your analysis of me I can see you're only on level 2 yourself.

How did John Nash crack infinity?

He cracked it whilst watching a girl getting attacked outside his dormroom window... That strategy was dark from the very beginning.

I think I've cracked the most efficient and complete framework for making a decision in Poker, and probably in all other games too. That is pretty profound.

But you cant comprehend it, and think i'm Level Two... Oh man...

No thanks for me then eh? I did just explain exactly how you personally can make more nickels. You not like my advice? So you do consider your perceived range before each decision? Or you think its not important??

You said that there is nothing that anyone but beginners can take from these levels, but look it up, before I came along they said that Level Four was only for the elite... I'm confused by that paragraph, are you saying the levels arnt important, or that they are all important for winning players???? Its all nonsense mate. Its cogD!

Rikers, toothsayer, you see what I'm dealing with here. It's not just this one dude. It's almost all of them. Almost all poker players come out with the same sort of degrading nonsense we've heard from this guy and many, many others on this thread. Even Sklansky, he's like their leader, n he cant touch me either

We're being levelled for sure right?

Before was 50-50, but now we have to be over 80% to be levelled

Rafiki, do you actually have any problem with the content here, or is it just certain words you don't like? I am an Englishman btw. This is my first language, if you don't like it then maybe find a Chinese forum or something. I hear French is quite nice. I like Spanish myself.

He just thinks you're taking the piss (to borrow the parlance of your country)

I mean the level is deep, even diabolical. But it's still a level being done unto us.

Are you referring to nash equilibrium as level infinity? How does that tie in to your thoughts on GTO as a strategy then?

No, I would not frame thinking about poker in the way you have.

What? Of course I consider my perceived ranges. I operate on a default strategy and then deviate when I can make more $. I mean it's pretty standard stuff. But how you gonna know what to do without the vast amount of technical knowledge? There is also a long run strategy of not over adjusting to continue to stay in a higher profitability game state--i.e. while there may be a given EV opportunity at some decision point I may opt to pass and not risk an opponent adjusting his ranges for the better.


You're OP was basically 1.) learn the rules and stuff you use to play with 2.) Analyze the opponent and things he does 3.) Analyze what the opponent thinks about us and our strategies 4.) He's aware that I'm aware that he's aware... blah blah (aka nonsense). That isn't a real level btw, it's still #3.

There you go OP ^

I wouldn't be giving you as much **** if you didn't say this. I took this to mean using your understanding of the ground-breaking content you've posted itt that one's only hope is playing GTO. Just Lol

I'd wax you at HUNL and HUPLO at any stack size, with my eyes closed, and exploit you to death. You'd have no idea where it was coming from, why, or what to do about it. And if you don't think this is true pony up the money, I'll lay you odds.

You can't get that sort of wager out of a leveller. His work here is now done because he can't possibly accept your challenge.

Oh no I did it again, posting whilst under the influence lol. Do apologise. Right, so, what nonsense do you have for me to decipher today...

You don't know how considering your opponents trends and actions provides any value in terms of making decisions. Your obviously chatting crazy nonsense my friend. Your suffering from cogD...

Nicely smoothed over afterwards. But just because u can regurgitate what I say doesn't mean that you are actually capable of doing those things. I still hold to my original assessment. You're blatantly not capable of Level Three, however, you did win some points with me there. Perhaps it is Level Four that your missing, but I very much doubt it. I can go further now, and say that you blatantly don't beat any games higher that the $100 cash games.

So now your saying that this is really basic stuff and everyone whos good can already do it... So whats your problem with me teaching it to people? Your arguing that I havnt added anything, but the main thing that I have done is put all the peices of the exploitative puzzle into one all encompassing efficient formula. I know for sure that nobody has put all these pieces of the puzzle together in order before me. Nobody before me put all aspects of theory into their proper Level of thought. Nor did anybody before me separate the levels into the timeframes. It was me that worked out pre-adjusting is future-present at Level Three. It was me who worked out implied odds are future-present at Level Two. It was me who worked out that Level Four is just defending, or inducing, the opponents bluffs. (I wrote a thread about that the other week, called the perfect question, and none of you could answer it. In the end an open minded dude worked out the answer for the most part).

Before I came along the people who even described these Levels made it confusing for everyone because they themselves were suffering from CogD. I mean, check this out, before I came along this is the only description of Levels four you could find. "think about what the opponent thinks that you think that he holds.". That twists around in your mind and makes it sound far more complicated than it really is. "Defending against bluffs". Why, before I came along, if everyone knows these Levels so well, was nobody able to explain how simple Level Four is.

Here's a link which is the common understanding of the levels pre-Yadi...
https://www.pokernews.com/strategy/m...oker-19458.htm
These are the sections I want to highlight...


"Now before we continue, I have to ask if you are sitting down because this is where matters really start to become tricky. To reach Level 4 you need to be asking yourself, “What does my opponent think that I think he has?” It sounds complicated, and it is, and even if you are thinking on this level it is unlikely any of your opponents are anyway!

Level 5 is reserved only for the elite thinkers in the game and will be almost useless for us mere mortals, but for completeness’ sake I will let you know what is involved in Level 5 thinking. Have you ever played a hand and thought to yourself, “What does my opponent think that I think he thinks I have?” No? I thought not! Seems ridiculous, doesn’t it? Yet there will be some battles taking place right now where players are thinking on that high level, on another plane than the rest of us."


I didnt search really hard for that. You type into google the poker levels of thought and this is what it comes back with. If you scroll down the list all the explainations are the same. TooCurious. Trying to say that this is childsplay is not going to work. But Toothsayer, Rikers, bear in mind that there is no way that they will let this go after I win this one point. Together they will come up with a different point and a different one. They will take the piss out of me all day long. It took me two years to teach my coach brother Level Three and Four, and I explained them allllll the time to him. These guys are fully blocking off these Levels and will do anything to disregard them as unimportant. The reason why, is because subconsciously they already know all the Levels and use them all the time. I have accidentally mapped out the minds strategic method.

That's hilarious. I can see you're not very good at reading your "opponent" here.


I was multiquoting your post replying to each piece but its too much work and makes my head hurt. Basically, the levels 1-3 as you describe as pretty common sense and most people who take poker seriously understand that knowing how their opponents view their ranges is valuable.

I have been in what you describe as level 4 and 5 but 1.) they are inefficient 2.) can be very costly if you make mistakes assessing their ranges/mindset/mood/immediate "level" (or as you'd like to think--identifying their exact hand). 3.) it's simply not needed and certainly very incomplete in terms of making a decision. For example the most accurate approximation of an opponent's mindset may be worth very little in terms of swaying a decision one way or the other.
Maybe I'll write how to approach a poker decision in the best way for you sometime, as I'm sure you don't know how.

In other news I've made a new and improved solution to decision theory. USING LEVELS.

Level 0, he doesn't think
Level 1, he thinks
Level 2, he thinks I think
Level 3, he thinks I think he thinks
Level 4, he thinks I think he thinks I think
Level 5, he thinks I think he thinks I think he thinks
Level 6, he thinks I think he thinks I think he thinks I think
Level 7, he thinks I think he thinks I think he thinks I think he thinks
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Level ∞, John Nash brah

Appeal to authority.

Cite? Naked Assertion.


Naked Assertion and Self-Fulfilling Prophesy.



Irrelevant minutia.

Naked assertion.


Naked assertion about a naked assertion.



Wants to talk about the naked assertion that's based on a naked assertion in a different context.




Massive self-fulfilling prophesy. You've made a bunch of naked assertions with out actually proving them, and anyone who disagrees with you in the future is already determined that they just do not get it.....

This nomaddd guy is my kind of poster....

You need to take your insights to the Politics Forum. Specifically the thread entitled "The Presidency of Donald Trump" especially as regards posts by "All The Cheese" and "uke master". But I warn you. They both have Phds in math. Thus any errors they may make are hard to catch. Are you up to it?

PHD's in math wont help them much. I'm an exploitative grand master who has the ever untouchable truth on my side. I suspect that I will tear them to peices.

I have family visiting today, but will get stuck in tonight/tmrw

(Bow)

This is perfect.

epic

yeah thread is delivering. Can't believe someone wanted it locked.

So Curious...

In this one thread you've said...

- That these Levels wont help anyone make a decision.
- That all winning players already use all the Levels.
- That using Levels 1-3 are essential.
- That Levels 4 and 5 are not needed!
- That these Levels are easy.
- That Levels Four and Five are dangerously difficult.
- And that arguing against my points makes your head hurt...

If bluffing the opponent (Level Three) is important to everyone, how is it that defending against bluffs (Level Four) is so useless????

Are you suuuuuuuure its me that is the crazy one here lol... Maybe I am. I do see the arguments against me stacking up and against many of them I honestly don't know how to argue back. I mean, the way that guy pulled out random sentences and then wrote naked assertion after each really made me realise that I havn't proved anything. Hmmm, maybe I should follow your advice, maybe we should play that game Curious. Once I beat you one on one everyone will finally see that I have definitely mapped out the mind!



Curious, u suck.

This thread basically became the moment when I realized 2p2 is for trolling and counter-trolling, and not serious discussion, and it was my mistake for clicking on this thread expecting something different.

You do realise that you didn't add anything to the conversation there. You post had nothing to do with the actual content here. All that you're doing is sowing discord and attempting to upset people. You are a troll. You have followed me around trolling me for ages. All your messages are almost exactly the same. You never add anything to the conversation... It's pretty obvious to me why you do it, but I fear I am getting repetitive.

In this section it's gotten really hard to find good content, BUT it's still there. I'll periodically read stuff that makes me happy I still read the section.