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I think I might have accidentally solved decision theory??? I think I might have accidentally solved decision theory???

08-04-2017 , 05:56 PM
Well it doesn't seem to take up much of his time... Did I answer your question David?
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08-04-2017 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
OP you should first educate yourself on the difference between Game Theory and Decision Theory. You have them totally confused. And during your education process you may just find that they have been well understood for a long time.

I suspect trolling anyway.
I thought poker theorists were generally up there with the best strategic theorists? I don't know how advanced the economists are... I expect your right about me having Game Theory and Decision Theory confused. Its hard to get my head around exactly what each consists of. I'm just a poker player, you seem to have a far better understanding of economics than I do, so perhaps you can tell me what we're talking about here? - I take rules and goals, Pokers rules and goals, and then I describe the strategic method all the way through to making an action. (Once understood it's easy to see how you would adapt the method to apply to different rules and goals, but it's less easy to actually adapt it.)

Last edited by Yadoula8; 08-04-2017 at 07:14 PM.
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08-06-2017 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
OP you should first educate yourself on the difference between Game Theory and Decision Theory. You have them totally confused. And during your education process you may just find that they have been well understood for a long time.

I suspect trolling anyway.
Haven't finished this, but it's good.

https://www.amazon.com/Games-Decisio...+and+decisions
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08-09-2017 , 05:37 PM
So decision theory is about how to make decisions most efficiently, what you need to think about etc etc, and game theory is all about what decision to actually make against a rational player in a specific situation.

If that's correct, then it is decision theory that I have pretty much solved, and by using this method you can calculate and decision against any rational player in any game. Or you can use it to work out whether or not to eat your dinner. You can, and do use it for everything.
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08-10-2017 , 01:50 PM
It's irrefutable. My god. He solved it. The crazy son of a ***** solved decision theory.
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08-10-2017 , 08:05 PM
Nothings irrefutable... Except maybe that you guys all suck, u haven't even asked me any questions. Professional poker players make around 10,000 strategic decisions every day in a game which is very simple, they choose from one of three manoeuvres, 10,000 times a day, and then when one of those players tells you that he's worked out how we all make decisions you fools don't even ask any questions! Even the best poker theorist out there can only muster up a weak attempt to take the piss before he ran away. Anybody know which exact point he was making there? Lol maybe his joke was just beyond all of us???

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08-10-2017 , 11:00 PM
I asked you a question. How much are you making playing the game you've solved?
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08-10-2017 , 11:00 PM
Man this thread! subbed!

An an aside, I'd love to have some 4th level thinking of what's going on with Trump vs NK right now in how it relates to this market. Trump's getting closer and closer to rock and a hard place where if he does nothing he looks super weak and if he does too much...

Does Trump stand to gain more from a war, or no war? We know he wants to distract from the Russia probe. Bad enough to go to war?
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08-11-2017 , 11:01 PM
Sorry, I forgot who I was dealing with here... I meant, you didn't ask me any questions about the decision making process.

Whats wrong with this thread is you people trying to derail it with every message.

Nobody want to make a stab at working out what Skansky was saying?? Well, I was only asking so I could tear up your responses anyway. I know exactly what just happened there. I don't know which point he was trying to make but in my response I felt I had answered them all. The real reason for his message was to discredit my logic because of cog D. But who cares right! I guess you'd much rather make stabs at me...

I was making £50 an hour playing 50k hands a month and then I decided to pursue a career teaching Poker as my full time profession. Once I had reached the highest Level (Four) I had a crisis of conscious and realised that Poker is a horrible profession. I didn't want to take money off the weak players anymore. I wanted to teach them... That was about four years ago now. It took me a long time to write that book and for the last 6 months I have actually gone back to a normal profession while the book goes through the editing process. I do play a little nowadays but only for fun. I ate up my stack years ago and there no way I'm going on some crappy staking deal. Eat up fish for other people, no thanks. I want to play for big money! This thread right here has made me realise that I blatantly am the best theorist in the world. I blatantly was four years ago lol, I just didn't realise it. And now I've reached God level.

Why do you say trump? He's in the pocket of loan sharks like all the other western governments. What do those gangters want to do? Well, once machines can do all the work they are going to want to get rid of a lot of people. There are no morals in business, and the business man has taken over the world... The people want to swipe the power away from those weak old sharks pretty quick fast. I have actually come up with a really easy way to do that, but right now very few people respect me as a strategist purely because CogD has them all going insane so unlucky! Get Sklansky to come back. Or help me discredit him and prove myself the better theorist. Tell us what point you think he was trying to make?

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08-12-2017 , 05:58 AM
What is this I dont even
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08-12-2017 , 06:46 AM
Yeah I'm going to be really sad if a mod locks this down. Really sad.
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08-13-2017 , 02:15 PM
Anyone studied on GTO in heads-up NL should just bury this fool Y8 so we don't have to hear his over-emphasis on leveling as a poker element, and his extreme sense of self-importance, and ego.
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08-13-2017 , 03:48 PM
I have actually dismissed Leveling as irrelevant. That's one of the things you guys use to discredit the exploitative Levels but your all just going crazy. Levelling isn't important.

Yeah, using GTO HU is your best chance against me.

I don't claim to be the best player in the world. But my understanding of theory is better than anyone elses. You know poker theory right, Liberty. Why don't you point out any mistake I ever made talking about it? Better still, why don't you tell us what Sklansky was taking the piss out of?? U must understand what he was getting at, right?
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08-13-2017 , 04:01 PM
Weed induced psychosis says what
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08-13-2017 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Chaos_ult
Weed induced psychosis says what
Nah they are going mad cause of cognitive dissonance lol!... I'm done with this thread. It is the lamest thread ever made. Do send me a PM if you have any actually query about anything that I have written. And oh, if any of you ever work out what Slansky meant do let us all know so we can see that he is not going mental after all. There is a chance that he was just smoking too much herb.
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08-13-2017 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Yadoula8
Nah they are going mad cause of cognitive dissonance lol!... I'm done with this thread. It is the lamest thread ever made. Do send me a PM if you have any actually query about anything that I have written. And oh, if any of you ever work out what Slansky meant do let us all know so we can see that he is not going mental after all. There is a chance that he was just smoking too much herb.
That responsibility often lies with the OP...
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08-14-2017 , 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer


Starting at 5:52.

It's not entirely correct - a million dollars is worth about 4 ugly points and 15 years in the dating world, but it's not far off.
Youtube video at 5:52
You can link youtube videos to a specific time in the video.
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08-14-2017 , 09:57 AM
It's a relief if you did actually abandon leveling Y8. I read, and re-read Skalansky's comment, and I am reasonably sure he was being cheeky to see what you'd come-up with next.

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The most basic overview I can give is this - It all works in Levels.

Level One - Is all about ourselves. Using the rules and the goals in the game were able to find our relative physical self within that game. Our relative physical self is actually defined by our potential for manouvreability in the game. So, things like our bank balance is part of our physical self when we run a business, and buying stock is a potential manouvre.

At Level Two we start to learn when to make these potential manoeuvres.

Level Two - Is all about our perception of the 'opponent', or ally, or any object even. We assign the rules and goals to the other 'players' and consider their attributes and their manouvres. At this Level we learn to counter our opponents 'plays'. We learn how to defend.

Level Three - We consider the opponents perception of us and how they might react to our manoeuvres. At this Level we're able to consider how the opponents perception of us will change based on our actions. We're able to consider how they will react to our plays. Which enables us to attack.

Those are the three main Levels, Level Four, Five and Infinity are also relevent. You may have heard of John Nash, well he basically cracked Level Infinity.
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You are right regarding poker, chess and Go. I find though that in backgammon I gain little even when I find my relative physical self. Am I doing something wrong?
The part underlined in the OP is what DS was responding to. I think he's out-leveling you in his game, because he found your concept of Level 1 and the whole OP to be unenlightened. Honestly reflecting the last month, the most time I've wasted is on your posts, which are the nut low.
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08-14-2017 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Yadoula8
I have cracked it ladies and gents, just about. It will be recognised someday, and if I don't get any help on this page I will just go elsewhere. I only wrote this thread on a whim. I would prefer to discuss this with people who were miles away from Poker so that cognitive dissonance would be as small a problem as possible.
Y8, this is exactly why you should be banned, and I am putting you on block. You think nothing about the time of others, and others are here to stroke your massive ego, or they serve no purpose. Don't go around faking knowledge. It's not a good look. You're far from the most intelligent person I've conversed with. And, you will never find a reputable publisher interested in your book.

add: one-stared it.

Last edited by leavesofliberty; 08-14-2017 at 10:47 AM. Reason: last post in this thread
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08-14-2017 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Rikers
I do agree that if you pinpoint the level you need +1 to outmaneuver them usually. (if they are exploitable). It's also nice to see on what level ppl play: thinking about themselves, thinking about you, thinking about you + the context...

Don't known how this all relates to game theory? That is game theory is a "stronger" assertion of truth then your theory is, by definition.

on a side note I play level 1 so to counter level 3 players ....
If you are able to be EXACTLY one-step ahead, and there's no variance between players who think only about themselves, and what boards they like, etc. etc. It's far better to start with GTO and make adjustments on their strategy away from GTO. This is where the OP goes awry, and has done so many many times.

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08-14-2017 , 10:56 AM
Delusions of grandeur up in here.
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08-14-2017 , 10:59 AM
It's not even the right forum for Christ's sake. BFI? Really?

<---- on tilt

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08-14-2017 , 11:54 AM
Nice going guys, you just chased away the guy who solved decision theory.
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08-14-2017 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SublettingProblems
Nice going guys, you just chased away the guy who solved decision theory.
we out-leveled him...
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08-14-2017 , 03:26 PM
OP why do you think despite all this you'd still lose at a large rate to me at poker?
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