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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
Funny how you can't answer a simple question, say I'm redirecting and then redirect and ask me a different question. Exactly what a racist would do. If you really weren't a racist you wouldn't hesitate to answer that question. You would be actively trying to dismantle racism when you see it, instead you gloss over it and change the topic. Therefore you are a racist. Probably a fascist too.
Actually I am a person that told you specifically my beliefs and how you can test yours and then pointed out that this is a thread about Covid, so changed the topic back to that. If you want to do the redirection thing to imply that makes me a racist - I do not care other than I would have liked you to use that mundane trope in a more entertaining and creative manner. Obviously if you did the test I suggest the result would come back approximately 100% that you are racist, give or take, but you will never take it, so this little chat has gone about as far as it can. Anyway, back to the thread topic.
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
I'm vaccinated. Should people be allowed to make bad decisions? Yes. I think private businesses should be allowed to exclude people who aren't vaccinated. What percent of USA is currently vaccinated? Does the vaccine seem to be slowing down the rate of infection at all? You tell me, if you're afraid of covid don't go places that allow unvaccinated, it's simple.
Even if the vaccine slowed down transmission (which it probably does) that would not change the debate much. Not as if the anti-vaxxers were swayed by that when it was the case with the vaccines against the alpha version.
In terms of whether people can make bad decisions - to an extent the answer is it depends. If someone wants to pour acid on themselves then that is a bad choice but go for it if they want to do that. If they want to pour acid on themselves in an area where a lot of the acid will hit others - that is a different situation where their freedom to make a bad choice is offset by the need of society to not allow them to make that bad choice.
This virus is something one person can spread to others, and as well for the unvaccinated the odds that they will use up a lot more resources in terms of medical facilities is hardly trivial. The vast majority of people in the hospital with Covid are unvaccinated even though the majority of people are vaccinated. In Canada (with a near 80% vaccination rate) about 80-90% of people in the hospital are not fully vaccinated.
From a societal perspective what you have is a smaller percentage of the population opting out of a free vaccine and as a result clogging up the medical resources. In the USA some of this will be remedied when the insurance companies stop paying for unvaccinated people, but in a country with socialized medicine that is not an option, so with that - how unreasonable is it for measures to be put in place to deal with this situation.
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What are your thoughts on ivermectin?
My thoughts on that drug are that I find it interesting that so many anti-vaxxers, many of whom claim to have a stance against "big pharma" will rush from one quick fix (in this case a product made by "big pharma") to another based on who tells them to do that. I admit that when anti-vaxxers proudly say that they will not take an FDA approved vaccine but they will will pop some pills or ingest some paste that Joe Rogan tells them to eat is a puzzling one.
I better understand those that say they will just take vitamins or that Jesus will save them. Their thought process follows a logical construct, even if I do not agree with it, but the vaccine = bad and the rando alternative medicines (hydroxy, Ivermectin etc.) = good is a strange one. To get a better answer to that you may want to ask posters like bobby why he will never take the vaccine but will happily take hydroxy and then this deworming product. I have asked them but they refuse to answer for some reason.