Fwiw Kelhus here in Belgium schools have been closed for a month for people that have non-essential jobs. The schools remain open for kids of parents who have essential jobs.

And nobody has complained in a noteworthy way.

ditto in the uk

All over the Northeast.

So Belgium and the UK have a plan for what to do with kids of working parents yet the reporter's question from yesterday's press conference as to what the US's plan is wasn't a good one?

loool kelhuauauaauuause.

It appears you live a very sheltered life where you are not upto date with current affairs outside of yanklandia no198109331381

Calling it a plan seems a stretch but it's about essential workers and not about reopening the economy which was the issue being discussed.

In the UK we currently have no plan to reopen the economy.

Neither does the US. That's my point.

I hope you're right. No plan seems far superior to the trump plan.

Dude, you clearly don’t have kids.

You have nooooooo idea just how disruptive having multiple kids at home is. Forget work, simple everyday life.

I have 3 little kids and our home-life is basically as good as humanly possible (yes sick brag) and it’s exhausting after weeks in a lockdown situation basically. My wife - totally exhausted.

I can only imagine how hard it is with more difficult family situations or undisciplined kids. But i hear about it daily from people. Especially people who want to proactively parent and not have kids raised by youtube (a minority nowadays)

It is 100% normal for people to want their kids back in school ASAP. Safety overrides, but the feeling is valid and THE NORM in the world right now.

For every parent thinking “hey! I should home school! Look how fast he’s learning!” There are at least 1000 saying “teachers should get paid far more and deserve far more respect and love, and please please reopen this afternoon “


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People should enjoy their kids being home so much. It sucks that people are sick and dying but I’m grateful that I get to spend so much time with my 2 younger kids. I have 2 older kids and I was never able to spend this much time with them because I couldn’t afford to not work. Remember you can’t get any of this time back.

Very true and not a contradiction at all. Sadly it seems most are just trying to keep their heads above water right now.


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Who gives a ****? Why should anyone have sympathy for you? You chose to have the ****ing kids, it's your responsibility.

I very clearly laid out 3 different scenarios. If you don;t think #1 & #2 should have high priority over #3 during a scaled reopening during, or after, a pandemic then you're a shitty person who shouldn't have 3 kids.

Australian schools are open for the children of people who can’t work from home. Everyone else is expected to keep the kids at home, home schooling.
Regardless some workers not at home are still trying their best to keep the kids at home.
Teachers are (rightly imo) concerned about the schools being open but the Teacher’s Unions are trying to work with the government to mitigate danger.
While schools remain open all social isolation policies and “stay at home” laws will remain in place for at least the next 4 weeks.
Not too much vocal opposition to the isolation, stay at home policies. Seems the Left and the Right are largely in step here at least.

Learn to read. Lol. See ya.



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I dunno about hyperventilating but do I think they were idiots for doing that? Sure.

Should be a fascinating 3-4 weeks as more and more people seem to be done with social distancing. Some red state governors need to step up and open up the floodgates.

Ok. Fair enough. Apparently I don't know how the rest of the world operates.

Where I live all schools are shut down by fiat. I would actually be pleasantly surprised if any schools are going to be open by August when the next school year starts, and am resigning myself that I am going to have to home school them for the considerable future and not work myself (neither me or my wife have stay at home jobs). She is still working right now. I am not.

Ironically, in your scenario it sounds like we would be in the group where our kid got to go to school. So I am not against that idea because I think it would be unfair to me. I just don't think it would fly here. I think they would just keep all the schools shut down until they could open them for all.

"Just the flu" bro:



He's 41. When people talk about IFR, this is one in the "it's not so bad"/win column:

The Hydroxychloroquine -Z pak treatment saved my father’s life. But hey, you’re the expert, apparently. And you obviously have a political agenda. lol like I told my dad, the liberals tried to kill you, but Trump wouldn’t let them. I’m also very thankful that my father’s doctors didn’t have political agenda and that their concern was getting him and others well again.

And here's two more of his coworkers - both young and healthy Broadway stars, both reducing the IFR because they lived:

This just isn't something you can let go through the population. Nor is there any chance that something that does this much damage to young lungs has a 0.1-0.4% IFR as some are claiming.

Just to follow up on this. When the Stanford guy wrote his report on the data from Santa Clara, he also had the results from the tests done in LA and by MLB (something I didn't know yesterday). So it seems super unlikely he was going to put information out there that would later be contradicted by those results.

Those results should be out early next week. I guess there are always going to be people who question them, but it also seems unlikely he would intentionally try to misrepresent the results or skew the data.

People criticizing him have raised some valid concerns about the first trial, but they become a lot weaker if subsequent surveys validated them.

You've gone from "the UK might have a point letting it just run through the population for herd immunity, it's a better plan than Trump's shutdown plan because I trust the experts" to, after they went to lockdown as this killed large numbers of people and overflowed hospitals, "keeping the economy closed with no plan of reopening is way better than the Trump plan, the experts know best!".

Not at all TS.

I don't know why you need to totally misrepresent my position but intentionally or not, that's what you're doing.

I'm not misrepresenting anything. This is you in early March as we're mocking the absolute idiot experts in the UK keeping the country open rather than locking down, and noting how it's needlessly killing lots of people for the same final result (months of lockdown):
You didn't think lockdown was realistic and bowed to the wisdom of the experts. Turns out the UK experts were stupid and did the analysis horribly (as experts are and do in novel situations). Now that they're locked down, you favor those same idiot experts with no plan to come out of lockdown (a very dumb thing) over people like Trump wanting to progressively open up sooner (the correct strategy).

I'm not misrepresenting you in any way, let alone "totally misrepresenting your position".

You are and I'm not interested in arguing a complete distortion of my views vs your views.

I would be happy to argue my actual views against your views but you don't want to do that for some reason. You wont even accept a different view on who the experts are.

It doesn't say how long that broadway guy waited before going to the doctor. Or if it was bacterial pneumonia also. I wonder how long he had pneumonia before getting medical treatment. Same with the other mentioned young people. pneumonia will wreak havoc on anyone untreated.