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04-11-2012 , 01:54 PM
For a minute I thought this was a trading job you had somehow landed an interview for and was about to get the popcorn out.
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04-11-2012 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Freakin
aren't most fast food managers day traders from the last .com bubble?
nice one

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Originally Posted by hammer_time
For a minute I thought this was a trading job you had somehow landed an interview for and was about to get the popcorn out.
nice one

chances of someone to be knowledge of trading and being your boss are slim at most
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04-11-2012 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
This was not an ethics question.


I understand. My point is that he may have other issues besides having a hard time finding a job if his first inclination was to lie on the job application. Different strokes for different folks I guess. If you think the best way to get ahead in life is to lie then I am glad I am not doing business with you.

I guess on the bright side for his next job he can change "burger king" to Goldman Sachs. He will have an excellent resume in no time with these fantasy jobs.
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04-11-2012 , 03:04 PM
The other thing I don't understand is did a fast food restaurant really not hire you once because you said you played poker professionally? Because if that did happen you probably just hit a rough patch of variance (got unlucky with the manager working there) because I think the only requirement is you have a pulse - I didn't realize they were selective in their hiring process. But I never worked in fast food so what do I know.

Last edited by Gemaco; 04-11-2012 at 03:23 PM.
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04-11-2012 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Gemaco
The other thing I don't understand is did a fast food restaurant really not hire you once because you said you played poker professionally? Because if that did happen you probably just hit a rough patch of variance (got unlucky with the manager working there) because I think the only requirement is you have a pulse - I didn't realize they were selective in their hiring process. But I never worked in fast food so what do I know.
I was interviewed for a flower shop job about 2 weeks ago. The interviewer mentioned that playing poker professionally does not count as a job, and that I would be better leaving it off. Playing poker carries a negative connotation with it, and leaving it off/lying (unethical I know) is the best option IMO.

Its been over a year now with over 30+ applications turned in, and am desperate for a job.

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04-11-2012 , 04:12 PM
You said the job is a fast food restaurant ? I would of left poker of they said it doesn't qualify as a Job I would say well for years I recieved checks in the mail, studied and worked for hours 7 days a week. I would then explain you have a keen sense of detail obviously and a high ability to focus. Both of which you consider to be important skills in the food industry. I would also add your social skills are importAnt in the industry. If your ability to relate poker to food work and firm hand handshake doesn't impress a manager at such a workplace I would Guess he is a pos to work for.. Fast food hires with fairly light requirements.


Basically I suggest working on your argument as to why it is a solid and hard job because it honestly is. I could convince someone drug dealing is a hard and skill building job if it didn't involve admitting to 20 crimes lol.
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04-11-2012 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SOMAH
You said the job is a fast food restaurant ? I would of left poker of they said it doesn't qualify as a Job I would say well for years I recieved checks in the mail, studied and worked for hours 7 days a week.I would then explain you have a keen sense of detail obviously and a high ability to focus. Both of which you consider to be important skills in the food industry. I would also add your social skills are importAnt in the industry. If your ability to relate poker to food work and firm hand handshake doesn't impress a manager at such a workplace I would Guess he is a pos to work for.. Fast food hires with fairly light requirements.


Basically I suggest working on your argument as to why it is a solid and hard job because it honestly is. I could convince someone drug dealing is a hard and skill building job if it didn't involve admitting to 20 crimes lol.
The problem with saying that you played poker professionally is that you will not receive a call for a job interview. They will look at the application, and automatically discard it.

I believe this happened when I turned in my other applications when I did include the poker profession.
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04-11-2012 , 04:32 PM
Them dont put poker on the resume and when they ask what you did you have a open window to explain. I would put it still and bullet mark the points I included before why poker makes you valuable. There must be something else on your resume that's scary my aunt owns a award winning flower shop in California and her delivery boy was a semi pro skateboarder that got off drank and burned trees till the next shift came.. I can't see poker being a resume destroyer for the type of work your applying for.

I'm no resume pro but if you pm or email me your resume I'd be willing to offer my advice.
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04-11-2012 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bigNDpants
The problem with saying that you played poker professionally is that you will not receive a call for a job interview. They will look at the application, and automatically discard it.

I believe this happened when I turned in my other applications when I did include the poker profession.
That is not necessarily true. I think your wording on your resume was incorrect (based on your post in the resume thread ... because it was terrible). I have had plenty of first round interviews on the phone that last 30 minutes, and a handful of them resulted in 2nd round interviews. I had one offer but it conflicted with my school schedule. It is not true that they auto throw out your resume.

You just need to explain it right, sound confident and have a GOOD REASON as to why you played poker and didn't hold another job. Once I tell them how much money I made they usually understand why you would leave a 12/HR job to make 35/HR playing poker. In fact most of them say something along the lines of "I wish I was good enough at poker to do that", and they understand it took years and hundreds of hours of intense study to do that.

As I said in another read, it is true some will throw it out. I had an interview for a banking position and the first question was "So your a gambler?", and the interview lasted 5 minutes and no matter what I said the person couldn't get past the fact that it was gambling. [you would think a banker would understand the idea of EV but he didn't want to hear anything about it and was upset that HR even sent me in for the interview]. You just dust yourself off and keep applying. Use it as a learning experience.

Another hint: Say Professional ONLINE poker player. That distinction makes a difference. When you say poker player there first through is some degen sitting in a casino 12 hours a day. Once you explain you ran 2 18" monitors and multi-tasked between many computer programs it sounds a lot more like a legit job.

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04-11-2012 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Gemaco
That is not necessarily true. I think your wording on your resume was incorrect (based on your post in the resume thread ... because it was terrible). In fact I just got an offer on Monday for an entry level job (45K/yr) from one of the big insurance companies located in Hartford. I turned it down though because I wouldn't have been able to continue getting my MBA (hours overlapped and they would not have allowed me to leave an hour early to attend my classes). I had a 30 minute phone interview with HR, they loved me - was asked to come in and have an in-person interview with the manager of the department and another HR person - and was offered the job.

It definitely is NOT true that they automatically throw out your resume. You just need to explain it right, sound confident and have a GOOD REASON as to why you played poker and didn't hold another job. Once I tell them how much money I made they usually understand why you would leave a 12/HR job to make 35/HR playing poker. In fact most of them say something along the lines of "I wish I was good enough at poker to do that", and they understand it took years and hundreds of hours of intense study to do that.

As I said in another read, it is true some will throw it out. I had an interview for a banking position and the first question was "So your a gambler?", and the interview lasted 5 minutes and no matter what I said the person couldn't get past the fact that it was gambling. [you would think a banker would understand the idea of EV but he didn't want to hear anything about it and was upset that HR even sent me in for the interview]. You just dust yourself off and keep applying. Use it as a learning experience.
Basically what's I was trying to say he just worded it much better, I'm a talker with a lazy judgement on my forum posts grammar.
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04-11-2012 , 04:56 PM
OP,

if you are applying for a position at a fast food restaurant and your last job was "day trading" they dont give a **** what your last job was. like was said before, if you have a pulse, you will get the job.
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04-11-2012 , 05:24 PM
Over a year and only 30 applications turned in? That's terrible. I've got a pretty weak work ethic but when I was job searching I was getting in at least 5-10 applications a day.

The economy is picking up now in many places, so there are more jobs available. You might even be able to upgrade from your fast food job soon, but don't lie on your applications, it's just a terrible idea all around.
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04-11-2012 , 06:32 PM
I would just try to steer the discussion away from daytrading and towards how you are bigNDpants.
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04-11-2012 , 06:59 PM
Logistics pays fairly well for an entry-level position. Package Handlers at FedEx make nearly $10/hr with benefits (in a low cost of living area).

Just don't get stuck in unload for an extended period, your whole body will be useless later.
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04-11-2012 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Gemaco
I understand. My point is that he may have other issues besides having a hard time finding a job if his first inclination was to lie on the job application.
He may indeed.

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Different strokes for different folks I guess. If you think the best way to get ahead in life is to lie then I am glad I am not doing business with you.
What a bizarre inference!
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04-11-2012 , 09:38 PM
Yeah... Try call centers instead of fast food. Do anything but fast food. Jobs that pay less than a living wage rapidly descend into hard to escape cycles. I would almost rather be homeless than hanging onto solvency by my finger nails via a fast food job. (at least when you're homeless you qualify for all kinds of outreach stuff to help you stop being homeless)
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04-11-2012 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bigNDpants
I was interviewed for a flower shop job about 2 weeks ago. The interviewer mentioned that playing poker professionally does not count as a job, and that I would be better leaving it off. Playing poker carries a negative connotation with it, and leaving it off/lying (unethical I know) is the best option IMO.

Its been over a year now with over 30+ applications turned in, and am desperate for a job.
If you live in the US you need to fill out your FAFSA and go back to community college or something. Seriously getting some kind of super menial job is a terrible idea that makes no sense.
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04-11-2012 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BoredSocial
If you live in the US you need to fill out your FAFSA and go back to community college or something. Seriously getting some kind of super menial job is a terrible idea that makes no sense.
any job is better then no job imo, obviously FF isn't ideal but working > not for future job prospects
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04-11-2012 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bigNDpants
The problem with saying that you played poker professionally is that you will not receive a call for a job interview. They will look at the application, and automatically discard it.

I believe this happened when I turned in my other applications when I did include the poker profession.
Do you not see the flaw in this logic? There can be a plethora of reasons why you didn't get an interview, and they may or may not be related to your poker career.

If you own a fuel efficient car or can afford to buy a cheap beater Honda, find a job delivering pizzas for a small pizza shop (the large chains will screw you over). You can do better than $10/hr if you're smart with your routing and driving habits, work the best shifts (Thursday night through Sunday night especially) give great customer service and do little things to maximize the likelihood of getting a tip on every delivery like bringing a legit clipboard for the customer to write on and making it easy for the customer to see where to write in the tip and place their signature. Not only will the hours allow you to interview for other jobs and work another job should you get one, but you'll likely receive free food -- while it's not the healthiest option anything you can do to cut your expenses for a while can be a plus.
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04-12-2012 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Tjmj90
any job is better then no job imo, obviously FF isn't ideal but working > not for future job prospects
If we are going to give OP career advice.

Volunteering >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working in fast food
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04-12-2012 , 06:03 PM
Results?
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04-12-2012 , 07:02 PM
what if they hire you then find this thread?

i admire your chutzpah. ethically its clear you are in the wrong, but you actually did not pick the worst career to try to flub through a job interview.
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04-12-2012 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Jason Strasser (strassa2)
what if they hire you then find this thread?

i admire your chutzpah. ethically its clear you are in the wrong, but you actually did not pick the worst career to try to flub through a job interview.
(1) The manager at a fast food restaurant will not find this thread
(2) I am pretty sure his real name is not Big N Da Pants
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04-13-2012 , 08:53 PM
grunch, In future just put "Self-employed, e-commerce, earnings of xyz p/a"
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04-14-2012 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by bigNDpants
I was interviewed for a flower shop job about 2 weeks ago. The interviewer mentioned that playing poker professionally does not count as a job, and that I would be better leaving it off. Playing poker carries a negative connotation with it, and leaving it off/lying (unethical I know) is the best option IMO.

Its been over a year now with over 30+ applications turned in, and am desperate for a job.
you were either 1) a lazy poker player 2) didn't do a good enough job selling yourself to the flower shop. If the interviewer said that to me I would have instantly proved him/her wrong.
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