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08-31-2014 , 10:23 PM
You just talked about how you have to remember all your passwords. If you forget your password with bitcoin, it's gone forever, right?
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08-31-2014 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
You just talked about how you have to remember all your passwords. If you forget your password with bitcoin, it's gone forever, right?
not really, no. I have it backed up.


The problem with using paypal is that I use it infrequently enough that sometimes I forget my password. Like, once a month I'll have to log into paypal to do whatever.

So not only do I have to physically get that password, if I typed it in wrong I'll have to answer a security question. Often, the answers to those security questions don't come to my mind. So i'll have to get those too. Then I have to have my phone physically on me because it sends a pin as the last login step to actually let me into paypal.

Does that sound efficient to you?
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09-01-2014 , 12:28 AM
Okay aggo, your inability to utilize tools to increase personal security certainly makes your argument valid. So did using the word, dickhead. /sarcasm.

Think and do what you want, but for now only the most naive of bitcoin users think bitcoin is easier or optimal when buying goods from a major retailer online, barring a major promo.

Being the oldest bitcoin adopter itt by a mile, it's pretty easy to establish where the true value in bitcoin lies, and it isn't in purchasing usability for your new keyboard or whatever you bought.
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09-01-2014 , 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DickFuld
Okay aggo, your inability to utilize tools to increase personal security certainly makes your argument valid. So did using the word, dickhead. /sarcasm.

Think and do what you want, but for now only the most naive of bitcoin users think bitcoin is easier or optimal when buying goods from a major retailer online, barring a major promo.

Being the oldest bitcoin adopter itt by a mile, it's pretty easy to establish where the true value in bitcoin lies, and it isn't in purchasing usability for your new keyboard or whatever you bought.
A little sour that I demonstrably proved that paying with Bitcoin at newegg (because I had never used bitpay before) was far more efficient overall experience than using paypal when presented with both options?

Sorry, if playing internet poker has taught me one thing, it's that you shouldnt use the same password for anything.

You're the same guy who doesnt believe that the customers get to choose their preferred method of transaction, so I don't think you have any room to argue about what you know business in general, much less bitcoin.
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09-01-2014 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by aggo
A little sour that I demonstrably proved that paying with Bitcoin at newegg (because I had never used bitpay before) was far more efficient overall experience than using paypal when presented with both options?
LOL! C'mon man. Paypal is so much easier it's not even close.
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09-01-2014 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BradleyT
LOL! C'mon man. Paypal is so much easier it's not even close.
I disagree. If I want to you pay me I make a link

Like this

From there it is 2clicks for you. With Paypal it would be like 10 clicks at least, having to give non-pseudonymous info for both, fees and delays. Imo just try paying using bitpay once, it will amaze you.
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09-01-2014 , 05:33 PM
So lower commission rates and no chargebacks, everything else in that piece was just fluff
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09-01-2014 , 06:00 PM
I'm running an NFL Survivor Pool with bitcoin. There is zero cost. Maybe 5 cents per entry if you want to get nitty. Every other pool is on paypal. Every transaction costs 1%. Assuming you send as gift. So $100 x 100 entrants = $100 in costs. 100 entrants in any bitcoin priced pool $5 in costs. Not to mention this pool is also multi escrow so no one can just run away with the money as has happened in my other paypal run pools with 1 escrow. Bitcoin is so much better for transacting it's not even close.
Also we don't have to worry about chargebacks, whereas there is that risk for paypal pools. And I'd say it's easier to send to a bitcoin address than to log in to PayPal and send to an email address. They are both easy so it's not much of a concern, but worth noting.
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09-01-2014 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by heltok
I disagree. If I want to you pay me I make a link

Like this

From there it is 2clicks for you. With Paypal it would be like 10 clicks at least, having to give non-pseudonymous info for both, fees and delays. Imo just try paying using bitpay once, it will amaze you.
How would this work? If I had a wallet open, it would bring me to complete the payment?
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09-01-2014 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Praetor
How would this work? If I had a wallet open, it would bring me to complete the payment?
yes. if you had a wallet, like multibit or electrum or mycelium or blockchain.info, if not open already, it would open the software (or ask you to open the software), then fill in the send to fields with the data, in this case 2.02 btc to 13krz...
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09-01-2014 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by heltok
I disagree. If I want to you pay me I make a link

Like this

From there it is 2clicks for you. With Paypal it would be like 10 clicks at least, having to give non-pseudonymous info for both, fees and delays. Imo just try paying using bitpay once, it will amaze you.
I could send Heltok this money in under 10 seconds.When on this forum page I click the KryptoKit add-on link in my Chrome browser.

It says Found address, and it automatically inputs his address. It automatically inputs the 2.02 bitcoins he requested as well. I type my password and hit enter. It's sent.
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09-01-2014 , 10:57 PM
I had blockchain open and that link did nothing fwiw
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09-02-2014 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Praetor
How would this work? If I had a wallet open, it would bring me to complete the payment?
If you use electrum this is what your screen will look like after you click the link:


If you press "Send" and have encrypted(optional but highly recommended) your wallet, you will be prompted to write your password, after that it will say "payment sent" and thats it.

Fwiw, the address is not mine, it was for a crowd funding of a new news site.
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09-02-2014 , 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Praetor
I had blockchain open and that link did nothing fwiw
Ok my bad. I've come across payment links that fill in the data on my android using mycelium or blockchain.info wallets as well. But this one doesn't work on my phone.
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09-02-2014 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
You just talked about how you have to remember all your passwords. If you forget your password with bitcoin, it's gone forever, right?
Protecting a single password that you never expose to anyone is much easier than protecting a lot of passwords that you have to assume will get exposed on a regular basis.
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09-03-2014 , 01:09 AM
The biggest risk of Bitcoin BY FAR is forgetting your password to an encrypted wallet. Time makes the most memorable things evaporate, so backup accordingly.
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09-03-2014 , 05:31 AM
Why Bitcoin will fail.

Bitcoin is backed by nothing and eventually a new cryptocoin coin based on productive assets will come along and displace it. Bitcoin was created with work the same way a hamster riding on a wheel creates work, once the hamster gets off the wheel you have nothing. Bitcoin represents no wealth. It may have value as a collectible, but the value of that long-term is unknown.

Consider bitcoin is priced at about $500 per coin. Now suppose we had a cryptocurrency based on gold as Max Keiser recommends at $500 a coin. It would not really matter, it will still be based on faith the gold is there. As has been shown, gold always and eventually fails as a currency as leaders eventually cheat on the gold backing. Gold as a nations currency has a 100% failure rate. Bankers can even go into the vaults if unaudited daily and use some of the gold for a summer vacation or a new house. They can always issue too much debt or the government can shave or debase coins. However, gold as a metal commodity has never failed.

The U.S. dollar is only used because you have to use it. Social security checks, welfare checks, government jobs, and all stores depend on it. The government requires its use and no one would use it otherwise. Bitcoin is not subject to this tyranny. All government fiat is used for a specific geographic area. The M2 money supply has been increasing by about 6% annually since 1980 (http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/M2.txt). Even before 1971 the U.S. dollar lost about 80% of its value. The United States learned a hard lesson in 1929, even though you are on a gold standard all the gold is not necessarily there to back the money supply.

Presently there is another asset worth about $539, it is called Autozone stock AZO. AutoZone is the second-largest retailer of aftermarket automotive parts and accessories in the United States, Founded in 1979, AutoZone has over 5,200 stores across the United States, Mexico, and Brazil. But there is something really unique about Autozone as a stock, it has no assets. Its book value has been negative for over 5 years. It pays no dividend. But why does it have value? Earnings and positive cash flow. It is the brain child of Eddie Lampert who does not even own the stock anymore. All virtually all earnings and debt not used for growth was used for buybacks or stock repurchases. AZO began the century at about $26 (see appendix below). Thus the stock has increased 20 to 1 or a 20 bagger. Today sometimes you hear in the investment world the stock is going to go Autozone on you. Meaning doing everything to do massive repurchases. The danger is if anything happens to AZO earnings stream it will go bankrupt. Even though bitcoin or any currency has zero assets, it still has more assets than Autozone.

Now consider a cryptocurrency (call it Capital Coin) that instead of $500 of nothing or gold, owns $500 or more of productive assets per coin. Furthermore the legal owners of these assets are in a country that pays no investment taxes. Suppose you buy $500 worth of a coin and it goes into Iowa farmland, or even 100% in a stock like Coca Cola KO. Now take the profits of this $500 a use it to buy Capital coin, send it to an void address, and destroy it. Coca Cola presently pays a 3.1% dividend. Just destroy 3.1% dividend of capital coin a year. There would be paper trail to see the coin was destroyed. If bitcoin with a market cap of $6 billion held only KO it would be the 4th largest shareholder of KO.

Rather than have $500 of nothing, invest the $500 in a stock or business. Destroy the coin of capital Coin with the profits. Use high transaction fees to protect the coin and keep blockchain small like peercoin. We should be able to make productive investments to earn and destroy 10% annually on our investments. There is also a lot we can do with those investments, we could own billboards, television stations, we could even allow you to rent land at low rates and destroy the rent in the coin. Thus you might rent 10,000 square feet of land for $50 U.S. equivalent annually. The only thing is the rent goes down 10% a year. So you have a nestegg of 30 coins and the rent is .1 CC. You have at least 300 years not to worry about rent.

Sales tax is often 10% in the United States. If we collect a 2% tax and destroy 1% and 1% to the miners. It would add more value to the coin and keep the blockchain small. Capital coins will be where you save like you should in a currency, as it was meant to be, that is truly INCREASING in value. Currency is suppose to increase in value, it is suppose to represent commodities, and represent things of value. It is not suppose to be a fantasy used to give government employees a big fat raise and summer vacation.

In summary which would you rather own:

Money Supply Growth Rates:
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German Mark: Infinity
Zimbabwe Dollar: Infinity
Argentine Peso: 20%
U.S. Dollar: 6%
Euro: 4%?
Gold: 1-2%
Bitcoin: 0% (presently 9%)
Capital Coin: -10%

The answer is obvious a capital coin. This should put the nail in the coffin of the Euro and Dollar and all currencies controlled by professors, bankers, politicians, and lawyers. In his book stocks for the long run, Jeremy Seigel made a graph of investments. These are real returns of $1 invested in 1802 after inflation from 1802 to 2006. I added my estimates bitcoin and capital coin. I also added German Mark and Russian Ruble.

German Mark $0
Russian Ruble $10E-14
U.S. Dollar $0.06
Gold $1.95
Bitcoin $100
Bills $301 (dead)
Bonds $1083 (dead)
Stocks $755,163 (last hope of liberals to completely raid they got about 80% of it so far).
Capital Coin $2,000,000

Can bitcoin become a capital coin? I think so if new capital coins donate 1% of the deletion of bitcoin. Or people who create bitcoin businesses donate 1% of profits to the deletion of bitcoin. You might even see secret societies popping up around the coins. So instead of the coins you typically see, you will start to see new coins like:

Iowa farmland Coin
Coca Cola Coin
Autozone Coin
Crowdfunding Coin
Gold Mining Coin
Dog Kennel Coin
NY Rent Coin
Berkshire Coin (10% of value deleted every year)
Gas Station Coin
Ethanol Coin
Fishing Boat Coin

Autozone Stock
shares (MM)-Price
2013 034.3 $477
2012 037.0 $357
2011 040.1 $327
2010 045.1 $273
2009 050.8 $159
2008 059.6 $137
2007 064.9 $120
2006 071.3 $115
2005 076.6 $92
2004 079.8 $91
2003 088.7 $85
2002 099.3 $71
2001 109.4 $67
2000 121.5 $28
1999 144.4 $32
1998 152.3 $33

I would like to be known as the godfather of capital cryptocurrency coins (CCC). As a capital coin is being bought with dollars, there will always be a buyer, you will not need to promote the coin. The lower the coin goes the more will be bought back. A committee that runs these capital coin funds should be allowed to use 10% of the profits (coins that are to be destroyed) to run and maintain the system. Bitcoin can still be used as the base coin to buy all your goods online. Just a simple BTC-CCC exchange and it could all be done automatically like BTC is done with the dollar.


Welcome to capital coin, are you in?
When in doubt delete - capital coin.

Recommended Reading
Progress and Poverty - Henry George (capital definitions)
Stocks for the Long Run - Jeremy Seigel
100 to 1 in the Stock Market - Thomas W. Phelps
Global Stock Valuation - Mebane Faber https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1RhAWzUCsc
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09-03-2014 , 06:42 AM
Tl'dr, but I assume STTEEEEELLLHOOUUSSEE
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09-03-2014 , 06:52 AM
Tldr. Read opening sentence and stopped
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09-03-2014 , 07:14 AM
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Now suppose we had a cryptocurrency based on gold
Who would control the stores of gold? Or how would this work without needing a central party to trust?
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09-03-2014 , 08:04 AM
You mean like e-gold?
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09-03-2014 , 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Gullanian
Who would control the stores of gold? Or how would this work without needing a central party to trust?
Gold would not be good as it is an commodity not a productive asset. It would be set up similar to the Bitcoin foundation. The foundation or coin owns the assets. There is no majority rule. The foundation (or put it up for a vote) may decide what assets to buy. At times like in 2000 they might buy some gold as a hedge. You would not need to wrorry about the central party because they don't have any legal power to take your assets.

Unlike Heinz or Dell or the 100s of outher ripoffs that occur yearly by the large shareholders and the management there would be none of that. Basically it is similar to a stock but only better. Whomever earns the most profits and buys back the most coin gets promoted, the ones that do not get voted out.

Basically it is stock market 2.0, the stock market where the little guy has the same power as the CEO.

egold is not good because there is a only one individual owning the gold. The coin would own the productive assets be it a strip joint or a bowling alley.

bitcoin requires a central party to secure the code.

Last edited by steelhouse; 09-03-2014 at 08:12 AM.
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09-03-2014 , 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by steelhouse
bitcoin requires a central party to secure the code.
Isn't that the productive asset?
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09-03-2014 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by steelhouse
Why Bitcoin will fail.
A good start to learn about bitcoin is to read bitcoin.pdf by satoshi. It will explain why bitcoin is designed the way it is, and why in fact this particular criticism is pretty much void.
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