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Thanks for the effort pride!
Have been putting some thought into what our next steps might be to optimize for ourselves during the period he is allowed to continue playing. The simplest thought that comes to my mind is that we all just instantly sit out next bb and leave whenever he joins our table regardless of how good the rec action at the table might be. In the short term this will be frustrating and hurt us financially but I think it might be effective over time for the following reasons:

1) Recs drive the action but regs fill the tables. There aren't usually enough rec players playing 2/5+ online to fill more than 1 or 2 tables even if they were left to their own devices. Additionally, many recs have no interest in playing HU or even 3 or 4 handed so it is very unlikely that they will sit there scattered across tables playing him HU (especially if he is tanking 30 seconds for every decision) I'm hopeful this would substantially consolidate or maybe completely dry up his action to the point playing becomes a pretty **** use of his time.
2) Recs aren't stupid. Many of them will notice that the games always break when this guy sits and they will also choose not to play with him for whatever reason they decide. Of course, some won't make the connection and this could potentially drive them away from the games which is a risk worth considering and not something I want BUT considering they are actually being cheated when he is in the games and this is a real fear of many recs I would personally feel better morally if I could help prevent recs from being cheated than if they stayed in an unfair game and I got some slice of their money.

I'm very interested to hear what you guys think, any ideas or thoughts you have and potential ways to push WSOP forward to taking just action.

Our best bet is to probably just get as many regs as possible in a discord or something and then just all sit out and fill a new game quickly before he joins.

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11-13-2023 , 05:25 PM

#2602

MyrnaFTW

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Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 7,603

kinda sad that you guys have to do all this and wsop just does nothing.

what do they really do with all that rake money

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11-13-2023 , 06:04 PM

#2603

HeeHaw!!

enthusiast

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 71

I'm curious what percentage of regs are on this thread. Most of the regs that aren't probably have no clue this is even going on. I play 200nl, but would be willing to leave the table immediately when he joins if we can get a decent amount of other regs on board. This is complete bs we even have to consider this though. The longer he plays, the more I wanna boycott wsop altogether.

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11-13-2023 , 06:15 PM

#2604

Gary Stevenson

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Originally Posted by notverygoodatpoker

Our best bet is to probably just get as many regs as possible in a discord or something and then just all sit out and fill a new game quickly before he joins.

The problem with that is he's been table camping at 2/5 and 5/10 lately. I'll be sitting an empty table and he joins and just sits out until a rec joins (which is also against TOS)

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11-13-2023 , 06:18 PM

#2605

notverygoodatpoker

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Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 14

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Originally Posted by Gary Stevenson

The problem with that is he's been table camping at 2/5 and 5/10 lately. I'll be sitting an empty table and he joins and just sits out until a rec joins (which is also against TOS)

Ive noticed this as well. We would basically have to send a message to everyone to just hop onto a fresh table and hope that we all do before he does but that literally isolates us against ourselves which probably isnt worth it despite the fact that it accomplishes the goal of getting him out of the game. I just dont know what other power we have.

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11-14-2023 , 02:42 AM

#2606

Sil3ntness

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 1,306

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Originally Posted by prideitoff

i just drove to caesars and talked to the supervisor at the rewards desk. she said she didnt know who to pass this along to, so i suggested the online security team and she said they dont even have one

she took my info and told me someone would get back to me but honestly its extremely disappointing and in the future looks like it will be solely on us to catch cheaters

anybody with info feel free to dm me here and ill pass it along but at this point i have little hope for the future of wsop in general. the full time live grind sucks imo but it might be the only alternative to moving out of the country

I mentioned it earlier in this thread. Casinos want all the traffic in person not online.

Live grind does suck, but least you don't have to worry about RTA and other random online shady software that goes undetected.

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11-14-2023 , 01:05 PM

#2607

mike1270

adept

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,084

Such a bummer to read about this RTA problem as I have been seriously considering switching more of my action to online cash again. Now I don't even want to play.

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11-14-2023 , 06:16 PM

#2608

Gary Stevenson

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kobeisdabest, table camping is already against TOS, you don't need to be doing it at 3 tables of the same stakes. If I leave one of the 3 you're camping, it's not for you to sit back in, leave the table and let it close

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11-14-2023 , 08:07 PM

#2609

donof

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 260

I understand what everyone is saying but is there a way to get an advantage over 7pair? Like because he's playing predictable?

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11-14-2023 , 08:58 PM

#2610

pokerarb

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 6,185

Not sure if trolling, but that's like asking can you get an advantage on a computer in rock paper scissor that throws all 3 perfectly randomly. (no you can't)

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11-14-2023 , 10:49 PM

#2611

lucknotskill

adept

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,157

not exactly but it is an irrelevant question because cheating with RTA allows someone who could never beat 200NL to suddenly be competitive at 10x the stakes. We need to work as hard as we can to eradicate this cheating behavior because if it continues unfettered, online poker is dead.

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11-14-2023 , 11:53 PM

#2612

bbissick

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 1,281

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Originally Posted by donof

I understand what everyone is saying but is there a way to get an advantage over 7pair? Like because he's playing predictable?

I do believe there are ways to mitigate his edge fwiw. Since he's using GTOW, it's not going to have solutions for everything. Example is Bvb, it only has a library for 3x I believe. Would recommend regs who are playing him to use a 2x strategy. Even if you are not familiar with the strategy you are most likely going to lose less than bvb 3x where he's going to play close to optimally.

There are other wonky things but that's the first thing that comes to my mind

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11-15-2023 , 05:01 AM

#2613

donof

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 260

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Originally Posted by pokerarb

Not sure if trolling, but that's like asking can you get an advantage on a computer in rock paper scissor that throws all 3 perfectly randomly. (no you can't)

I wasn't trolling. I had good success playing the igt heads up poker bot so I was just wondering,

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11-15-2023 , 06:12 AM

#2614

MyrnaFTW

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Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 7,603

hilarious how the wsop account is active when trying to drum up new business, but have it be about a real issue

https://twitter.com/WSOP/status/1724...bVNRylpog&s=19

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11-15-2023 , 02:15 PM

#2615

knivesout

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 5,288

It wouldn't surprise me at all if they haven't even read any of your complaints yet. Sometimes it takes a few months to get a response from them. My favorite was when I asked them a question during WSOP time about a ticket I won, and they responded 3 months after the series ended, ignored my question, and said "Yes, you did win a ticket to xx event. Congratulations! Let us know if we can be of further assistance." Thanks guys.

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11-16-2023 , 05:32 PM

#2616

Franklin's Dad

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Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 304

I haven't seen 7Pair since Sunday (when he stacked me a few times lol). Has anyone else seen him playing since then?

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11-16-2023 , 08:20 PM

#2617

lucknotskill

adept

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,157

I have not and I've played a good amount at all different times of days. I think if we make it through the weekend without a sighting we can start getting our hopes up!

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11-16-2023 , 09:46 PM

#2618

Gary Stevenson

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I've also played a bunch and haven't seen him. Fingers crossed

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11-17-2023 , 02:10 AM

#2619

hedgedx

newbie

Join Date: Jun 2023 Posts: 21

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Originally Posted by Franklin's Dad

I haven't seen 7Pair since Sunday (when he stacked me a few times lol). Has anyone else seen him playing since then?

nope, been playing a bunch of hours all week. Haven't seen him since Sunday either.

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11-20-2023 , 05:21 AM

#2620

Gary Stevenson

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Coming up on a week since the last 7pair sighting

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11-20-2023 , 08:43 AM

#2621

Franklin's Dad

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 304

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Originally Posted by Gary Stevenson

Coming up on a week since the last 7pair sighting

Good sign, but he has always been pretty inconsistent with his grind schedule IMO. Plus, it's definitely possible he is back home for Thanksgiving, etc. Gonna need to see him gone for a couple of months before I draw any conclusions lol.

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11-24-2023 , 09:21 AM

#2622

notverygoodatpoker

stranger

Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 14

Is wsop stuttering oddly for anyone else right now?

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12-04-2023 , 07:51 AM

#2623

Balbomb

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,533

I know people have posted this in the past, to get the 2k cash back offer, how much do we need to get in rakeback during the time period? I thought I remembered $1600 rakeback but I am not sure. Thank you