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11-09-2023 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by HeeHaw!!
Support replied to me and said they would conduct an investigation, but it would be confidential. I replied and urged them to reconsider. The poker community has a right to know who the cheaters are. Also, publicly shaming and punishing them will help to discourage cheating going forward.
I think we are drawing dead to ever hear anything from WSOP. I think our best bet is to keep track of days when 7Pair plays. Once it has been a couple of weeks or a month since he's been on, those of us with large social media presences (not me lol) can start making it known that this guy was cheating, he was caught, and he was (likely) banned. And maybe Berkey will pick that up and aid with the publicity.

FWIW I think we should start applying more public pressure to wsop now to start investigating this guy, but not sure that will change things.
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11-09-2023 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Franklin's Dad
I think we are drawing dead to ever hear anything from WSOP. I think our best bet is to keep track of days when 7Pair plays. Once it has been a couple of weeks or a month since he's been on, those of us with large social media presences (not me lol) can start making it known that this guy was cheating, he was caught, and he was (likely) banned. And maybe Berkey will pick that up and aid with the publicity.

FWIW I think we should start applying more public pressure to wsop now to start investigating this guy, but not sure that will change things.
I agree. But we need someone with a big platform to public pressure WSOP. Feels like a lost cause man, reached out to Joey and Berk, no responses.
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11-10-2023 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by JBlane
I did a few times and it says it’s have trouble verifying my location. I thought Maybe someone else may have ran into the same issue.
I thought it would work if you're in Nevada and are near other wifi networks.
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11-10-2023 , 12:26 PM
Could you all boycott 1k and 500nl like the nose bleed regs did on GG until WSOP does something about it? Playing with a known cheater sounds like hell
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11-10-2023 , 05:02 PM
Online poker is over. Wsop.com doesn't care about RTA, nor does global poker or ignition. Time to pack it up and play live if you are an American player
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11-10-2023 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Franklin's Dad
I think we are drawing dead to ever hear anything from WSOP. I think our best bet is to keep track of days when 7Pair plays. Once it has been a couple of weeks or a month since he's been on, those of us with large social media presences (not me lol) can start making it known that this guy was cheating, he was caught, and he was (likely) banned. And maybe Berkey will pick that up and aid with the publicity.

FWIW I think we should start applying more public pressure to wsop now to start investigating this guy, but not sure that will change things.
Cheater back online right now.
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11-10-2023 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by lucknotskill
Cheater back online right now.
Yup. I just logged off because of it. Once he tank donked a turn in a 3-bet pot that no regs are doing, I knew I was being cheated. Screw this. Jeremiah might be right, unfortunately. You would think after several players email them with evidence, they would at least temp ban him while they investigate. They told me they take accusations seriously. And screw GTOw for helping ruin online poker.
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11-10-2023 , 11:29 PM
Yeah just caught him cheating flop turn and river in the same hand. I am compiling a massive list of evidence of his cheating. I'm still hopeful that a preponderance of evidence will eventually get this fkr banned but if not... I guess its time to move on
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11-10-2023 , 11:44 PM
I appreciate the effort you and everyone else has put in. Hopefully, it's not in vain. I hope I can adjust to live if need be.
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11-10-2023 , 11:58 PM
Anyone have any info on who this person is IRL. Even if he is banned, these sociopaths will probably ghost another account and start cheating again
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11-11-2023 , 12:07 AM
anyone know who this guy is IRL?
btw hes also cheating in hands against recs... lol what an absolute clown
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11-11-2023 , 12:44 AM
As this is a regulated site isn't he actually breaking the law by cheating in these games? Perhaps if WSOP won't do **** its time to reach a bit further?
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11-11-2023 , 02:39 AM
For what its worth I am a somewhat decent volume player at 500nl and Id be willing to boycott for something as egregious as this.
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11-11-2023 , 02:57 AM
just come on over to live guys, most of you will be better than 80% of the field from the get.

also i suggest posting on poker fraud alert radio.

todd will def take this on and then berkey and others will pick up.

just present your case there.
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11-11-2023 , 11:50 PM
its very possible that, unless there is a big enough fish at the table, any other reg isnt even winning when he sits

its pretty tilting but i usually quit when he joins
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11-12-2023 , 01:32 AM
at a point in the very near future it will be very difficult to continue giving business to WSOP. Don't care about cheaters and don't even let us have a chat box to call out cheaters publicly. Its almost like they want to follow the Amaya plan of killing their own cash cow.
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11-12-2023 , 02:07 AM
https://gaming.nv.gov/index.aspx?pag...r%40gcb.nv.gov.

I'm going to send a complaint along with evidence to the NV Gaming Board. Please join me if you have been documenting evidence for this case. Thanks.
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11-12-2023 , 02:29 AM
I urge regs who play with 7 pair to also file a report with WSOP. I had multiple hits on the fair play as well and I'm fairly positive he's cheating as well, consistently finding extremely unitiutiave lines that even high end studied players would miss.

I sent over what I could to WSOP but the more attention brought to this hopefully garners a quicker response
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11-12-2023 , 02:37 AM
If he is not cheating then I must be insane and just time to call it a day. I have been running FairPlay check alongside my session anytime I don't have too much action (definitely causing myself to lose EV in pursuit of this :/) and I have close to a hundred instances of matches in just a few days. I've documented the most egregious ones or any time I have all folds on my tables. If we all put in this effort for just a few days we will collectively have a thousand hands a week of evidence to present.

Who has information on where the best places to send this for fast tracking are?
Thanks to anyone who can help!
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11-12-2023 , 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by lucknotskill
If he is not cheating then I must be insane and just time to call it a day. I have been running FairPlay check alongside my session anytime I don't have too much action (definitely causing myself to lose EV in pursuit of this :/) and I have close to a hundred instances of matches in just a few days. I've documented the most egregious ones or any time I have all folds on my tables. If we all put in this effort for just a few days we will collectively have a thousand hands a week of evidence to present.

Who has information on where the best places to send this for fast tracking are?
Thanks to anyone who can help!
I have no idea if it's against TOS or not, but being on the GTOW website while you play could potentially get you in trouble (especially with wsop support's probable lack of understanding of how it works). It would be terrible if they finally concluded that 7pair was cheating by using GTOW while playing and then they went and banned anyone who was using it to catch him.

FWIW my process when I was gathering evidence to send to support was-
I would keep the hand history windows open of the tables I played with him, take screen shots of the hands and save them with the HH #, then go into the game history and write down the exact times the hands were played, then check them on GTOW.

It was a pretty tedious process. Anyone find a better way without being on GTOW while having the client open?
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11-12-2023 , 12:19 PM
As far as I can tell the FairPlay Check is an entirely different thing as it doesn't show any solutions-- just allows you to check if a solution has been opened, but you make a fair point on their incompetency so I will probably just stop my process and send the information I have gathered. It alone SHOULD be enough for a conviction but maybe once every single reg on the site sends in evidence they will actually do something.

I appreciate everyone who is putting in work to get this guy out of our games. And I really appreciate all you fair competitors out there! Thanks guys!
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11-12-2023 , 03:41 PM
Such a disgraceful site. If they aren't enforcing this, imagine other cheating is ignored as well.

7pa*r used to be a pretty large losing agro-rec. It's amazing how powerful RTA is. I don't think he's optimizing his cheating either, but highlights what a problem this really is.
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11-12-2023 , 10:14 PM
i just drove to caesars and talked to the supervisor at the rewards desk. she said she didnt know who to pass this along to, so i suggested the online security team and she said they dont even have one she took my info and told me someone would get back to me but honestly its extremely disappointing and in the future looks like it will be solely on us to catch cheaters

anybody with info feel free to dm me here and ill pass it along but at this point i have little hope for the future of wsop in general. the full time live grind sucks imo but it might be the only alternative to moving out of the country
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11-12-2023 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerarb
Such a disgraceful site. If they aren't enforcing this, imagine other cheating is ignored as well.

7pa*r used to be a pretty large losing agro-rec. It's amazing how powerful RTA is. I don't think he's optimizing his cheating either, but highlights what a problem this really is.
I also had him tagged as an aggro-rec. I appreciate people in this thread pointing out that he's now far from a rec thanks to GTOW.
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11-13-2023 , 01:51 PM
Thanks for the effort pride!
Have been putting some thought into what our next steps might be to optimize for ourselves during the period he is allowed to continue playing. The simplest thought that comes to my mind is that we all just instantly sit out next bb and leave whenever he joins our table regardless of how good the rec action at the table might be. In the short term this will be frustrating and hurt us financially but I think it might be effective over time for the following reasons:

1) Recs drive the action but regs fill the tables. There aren't usually enough rec players playing 2/5+ online to fill more than 1 or 2 tables even if they were left to their own devices. Additionally, many recs have no interest in playing HU or even 3 or 4 handed so it is very unlikely that they will sit there scattered across tables playing him HU (especially if he is tanking 30 seconds for every decision) I'm hopeful this would substantially consolidate or maybe completely dry up his action to the point playing becomes a pretty **** use of his time.
2) Recs aren't stupid. Many of them will notice that the games always break when this guy sits and they will also choose not to play with him for whatever reason they decide. Of course, some won't make the connection and this could potentially drive them away from the games which is a risk worth considering and not something I want BUT considering they are actually being cheated when he is in the games and this is a real fear of many recs I would personally feel better morally if I could help prevent recs from being cheated than if they stayed in an unfair game and I got some slice of their money.

I'm very interested to hear what you guys think, any ideas or thoughts you have and potential ways to push WSOP forward to taking just action.
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