tournament rakeback does not exist anymore. Chatting with livechat resulted in "this will be forwarded to the relevant department within 48 hours".

They haven't paid out rakeback for tournament fees in 3 weeks.

Would be nice to get my account refunded some funds after playing thousands of hands vs these cheaters , I paid so much in rake and then lost my money on top of it all. Too much fun. Im the idiot though for thinking anything has changed.

THIS.

You got rolled, brah... you're not the only one.

I have listed $2.07 of tournament fees towards my weekly total. Usually I come home and fire up to 6 tournaments in the $5-$20 range at one time. Not sure where the $2.07 came from but it is obviously way under.

My stats for NLHE (with a few PLO8 thrown in). cbet 80%, Float 60% (all in Ignition Zone, so I get to pick and choose the hands). Ergo, I am a bot.

Not to disparage your research, but some of us humans can play that way too.

He's talking about PLO not NL.

what time does acr issue rakeback daily

For me it's around 8am east coast time.

Yea i thought he might be a bot but he does chat. Hes just a nut peddler. I love plo but playing on this site is just to much.
I have like 10 accounts because the site allows you to so to keep from being tracked to hard, but I dont have the time to sit and wait for the nuts like these bots and grinders.
Taking a long break....maybe someday we Americans can have better options, but they suck for now. I have friends who use to play and ask me about online poker, I tell them to stay away.

Don't assume an account that chats isn't a bot. In the era of captchas, most bot accounts have a real person sitting there monitoring the bot in case they need to solve a captcha or re-set the bot if it is malfunctioning. Therefore a person can chat every now and then and throw off suspicions.

The bot that was video taped on Twitch malfunctioning was probably unmonitored. Thank goodness for us there was finally some irrefutable proof of a bot that Nagy couldn't pretend away. Or should I say thank goodness for the very short refund program that now seems to have been brushed under the rug.

Not that I dont believe you, but is there proof of this? How do we know they got people monitoring? I really believe it is possible, just wondering if you got some inside info?

Several of the bots that were caught on Pokerstars chatted.

Catching bots rule #1, don't assume just because someone chats that they are not a bot.

Not only do they chat at the table, there have been cases of them having 2+2 accounts and chatting on 2+2. Give me a bit of leeway here, but if I recall correctly Seregaxx was one of the biggest winners for the year (in the top 10) at the time of the Pokerstars bot bust. And he chated at the poker table, and even was trying to deflect suspicions off himself by posting on 2+2 until the evidence mounted up and then he quickly went silent. Also since we are in the WPN thread, I believe Chopsy2 ran a bot on WPN and was on here derailing every bot thread from the WPN sub-forum. Either that or he was a Winning_TD or Thrasher370 gimmick account. So be careful of the "there are no bots" derailing thread posters on 2+2. And so I don't have to do all the heavy lifting, search Chopsy2 and read his posts. If I do all the work some mod will probably just move my multi-quotes of Chopsy2 bot derailing posts to a separate thread.

Below is the one of the Pokerstass threads and I'm sure there are a couple of times some said "wow he was a bot? But he chatted at the table."

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...stars+plo+bots

Does the next beast tournament still get created on the Sunday before it starts, if so does anyone have an estimated time? (The one from the beast) And can you still register it to get $55 in TB? Thanks in advance.

Thanks for the info, I figure the best thing I can do is not play till it seems okay. Atleast stay away from plo cash. Maybe when its only bots and grinders they might change it up, but if they are still making money why change? No one opens a poker site to make poker better except Phil and that aint workin either.....

I mentioned Pokerstars for a reason. The problem is wide spread. Pokerstars got attacked at every poker format too. And it was Pokerstars players that discovered almost all of the cheating first, not Pokerstar own security team. The players are the first and last line of defense and that is why I've got HOG's back. Furthermore, you will never hear a Pokerstars CEO say like what WPN CEO Nagy said. In one of the ChicagoJoey interviews WPN CEO Nagy essentially said, "I knew about the bots but I was being stubborn and did nothing" Threads about bots on Pokerstars were taken seriously by Pokerstars management. Pressure needs to be put on WPN to be serious beyond a short live bot refund program.

So I say play poker, enjoy it. But bust WPN management's ass on every social media outlet to provide a safe place to play.

So despite having 135 000 BP on the year I have had my legend status taken away and am now getting rounder rakeback

For your information it is impossible for a human to cbet nearly everything or float someone that cbets everything then take the pot on the turn with a float bet. That strategy is only used by advanced AI bots built by NASA and Steve Jobs from the afterlife in Area 51.

Yea well its hard to enjoy playing a bunch of bots and nut peddlers, so no playing for awhile. Thanks for your time and words.

Be careful with keeping money on this site. They have been saving up money from cancelled tournaments for at least a few months now. On top of their already shady reputation and widespread technical issues, I wouldn't be surprised if their site shuts down without warning.

Bots: infested
Rakeback: shorted
Server: f**ked
Nagy: missing

You have 10 accounts? i thought you could only play with 1 at a time?

I'm hoping he means skins. The way skins move around to different networks it is possible to have many accounts. I probably have 8 skins that have at one point been on WPN, but not all of those skins are still in business. Obviously you can only be logged into the network on one account at a time, but in case you didn't know, you can log out of one and then log into another.

thanks

You're talking about how you play on an anonymous network in a fast fold format and trying to compare it to the play on the regular tables of a network that isn't anonymous.

The important aspect mentioned in that post was Multi-Way Pot Frequency. You're not going to find real regs doing that. It might be the single most identifiable trait of this type of bot to this point. Unfortunately I've identified a new breed where this tendency has been adjusted to be more inline with standard human frequencies.

I think it would be best if you and Lozgod stopped chiming in on this subject until you completely understand what it is that we're dealing with. You both make condescending and dismissive replies to people who have hundreds of thousands of hands and years of experience playing against these things. Whatever knowledge and expertise you both have about how bots operate in a general sense it is clear that neither of you have a good grasp on how these particular bots operate.

Someone on here a while back once implied that lozgod actually owns bots because he is active on several botting forums. This would explain why most of lozgods posts seem like trolling/disinformation.