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06-03-2019 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Lozgod
I'm not familiar with randomizers but I would think it would be random and not the same exact time every time. Kind of goes against the definition of randomization doesn't it?
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Originally Posted by MCAChiTown
The randomization software I spoke about allows you to do that. You make a decision and then the software delays entering the decision into the client until a prespecified exact time or a random amount of time in a desired time frame.

Those accounts could certainly still be botting. I'm just saying that consistently taking a certain time to act alone shouldn't be used as a reason to post account names and say they're conclusively botting.
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Originally Posted by Lozgod
I won't disagree that's a possibility but the bot thing has to be considered as well IMO. When the first bot got busted the initial evidence was it took exactly 9 seconds to act every time IIRC.

Honestly I'll play bots all day could care less. I just don't like them because of the principle of it. I finished with a ticket in every ladder. At step 6 to get in.
It wasn't only the timing, but the amount of hands it was playing.

Were the accounts you played with in the Venom steps MTT folding every hand for the duration of the MTT in a way that no human would?

Last edited by MCAChiTown; 06-03-2019 at 12:01 PM.
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06-03-2019 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MCAChiTown

Were the accounts you played with in the Venom steps MTT folding every hand for the duration of the MTT in a way that no human would?
This one in particular came in at the end of the rebuy period and was mainly push/fold which really isn't a good indicator IMO. A lot of human players will come in and do that. It was seated to my right and I remember that pretty distinctly.

The one thing that did seem kind of inhuman was as it was getting blinded out it didn't make any moves. Just folded until it decided to push. No flatting 2x button opens or anything.
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06-03-2019 , 12:16 PM
I don't believe the FoxRox bot caught on stream ever pushed HU. I think it just folded nearly everything aside from a few preflop raises early on when HU. It was probably a malfunction in the HU programming of it.

Without a doubt there's going to be some amount of bots in the games. Let's just make sure we're not accusing the wrong accounts.

Last edited by MCAChiTown; 06-03-2019 at 12:21 PM.
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06-03-2019 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MCAChiTown
Let's just make sure we're not accusing the wrong accounts.
Agreed 100%. The problem is how do decide if something is fishy or not. In my mind taking the exact same time to act seems automated. Could be bet timing software or could be a bot. Some winning bots could have similar stats while a winning player could have similar stats.

It's difficult to play bot detective and be 100% correct.
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06-03-2019 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Lozgod
Agreed 100%. The problem is how do decide if something is fishy or not. In my mind taking the exact same time to act seems automated. Could be bet timing software or could be a bot. Some winning bots could have similar stats while a winning player could have similar stats.



It's difficult to play bot detective and be 100% correct.
Not sure that is feasible, many many times I have timed down to the same 5 or 6 second mark to act, for various reasons including a false presentation. I think a lot of the more pre-packaged bots have a time tell, so to speak, a player can also intentionally emulate that, too. I first started doing it when someone said in the chat box that it was a bot due to their timing play. It can be used effectively, especially at the bubble when many tighten up.
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06-03-2019 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Lozgod
Agreed 100%. The problem is how do decide if something is fishy or not. In my mind taking the exact same time to act seems automated. Could be bet timing software or could be a bot. Some winning bots could have similar stats while a winning player could have similar stats.

It's difficult to play bot detective and be 100% correct.
I understand your confusion and desire to help clean up the games. I wish I could help, but I'm not familiar with tournament bots these days. The most prevalent cash game bots have very distinctive tendencies and frequencies in their play style that no winning human regs would try to emulate. It's quite easy for me to pick them out. I'm sure you could find tournament bots in a similar manner, but you'd have to become familiar with how they normally play.
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06-03-2019 , 12:38 PM
So how is the new MTT schedule and are they actually functioning without freezing/suspending? Sorry not able to check myself atm
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06-03-2019 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by dusk2dawn
So how is the new MTT schedule and are they actually functioning without freezing/suspending? Sorry not able to check myself atm
Seems they finally got it ironed out. Played several yesterday and didn't have any glitches.
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06-03-2019 , 01:06 PM
Winning TD please update as to when we can see Headsup Sitngos and when we can receive our RakeBack.
Thanks
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06-03-2019 , 01:14 PM
Okay...

I'm back.

Winning TD, you might mention to the dev team that posted blinds currently aren't working properly. I've seen this a number of times... For instance, if someone decides to post after a missed blind the amount to call (for the rest of the table) changes to the amount posted by the player, that missed their original blind. For instance in a $1-$2 game, the amount to call (for the entire table) becomes $3 not $2; since that is the amount that's being posted... I guess for some reason the tables aren't killing that extra $1, which should be dead.

Still no rakeback.
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06-03-2019 , 01:30 PM
GARBAGE AND RATS AT ACR LIVE CHAT

I have been reporting money missing, glitches and i have to say TD_Winning has helped me out and the refunds have been made and I feel a legit desire from ACR to improve things, to get rid of bots, and i trust them to pay back the rakeback which is the only issue left.

But what drives me nuts, just tilts the **** out of me is when you dont man up, you blame players and you act like a puss.y. With this mess of new software at the end you have to give the benefit of the doubt to some loyal ****ing players.

Last night I was playing 4 tables of 10nL and the software kicked me out in the lobby but i could still keep playing the tables I was in. I closed the tables normally but one of them seemed frozen. It was frozen and i am 99% sure that the 10$ i had there becaume stuck in that loop and never credit.

I contact live chat and that fk puss.y just denies everything I say. I didnt take a screenshot last night but today it happened again and I took a screensot to prove that piece of shi-t support idiot wrong. Aside from dealing with the new software mess, we have to deal with pieces of shi.t in support in denial.

Please ACR credit my 10$ back. Is more than the money, just a thing of man up.


CHAT WITH AGENT THAT NEEDS TO BE FIRED

You are now chatting with Aly C.
Jose at 23:58, Jun 2:
Aly as i was telling the previous agent. I am very positive i am missing 10-12$
Jose at 23:58, Jun 2:
from a table that froze
Aly C at 23:59, Jun 2:
yes please allow me a couple of minutes to check
Aly C at 0:00, Jun 3:
was it the last table you played?
Jose at 0:01, Jun 3:
i think it is stuck in table millen
Jose at 0:01, Jun 3:
but i am not positive
Jose at 0:01, Jun 3:
or completely sure it was on that one
Aly C at 0:04, Jun 3:
Thank you for waiting Jose, I was checking up the information, and I noticed this is a ring game.
Jose at 0:04, Jun 3:
yes
Aly C at 0:05, Jun 3:
Be informed that we do not had any down time on Ring Games since whenever there is a disconnection the system automatically reverses the last hand and kicks you out of the table.
Aly C at 0:05, Jun 3:
I checked the full hand history and there is not type of disconnections at all.
Aly C at 0:05, Jun 3:
Also, it is important to mention our platform has been running perfectly today.
Jose at 0:05, Jun 3:
you understand that i keep getting kicked out to the login page
Jose at 0:05, Jun 3:
even when i am playing?
Aly C at 0:06, Jun 3:
if that is the case, please go ahead and check your internet connection, as mentioned before we have not had any disconnections.
Jose at 0:06, Jun 3:
i am telling you i am missing 10-12$
Aly C at 0:06, Jun 3:
Please keep in ind that you also need to have your JAVA and ADOBE flash player up to date.
Aly C at 0:07, Jun 3:
Again sir, cash tables will not disconnect and keep your account on playing.
Jose at 0:07, Jun 3:
i am not going to argue something that i know happened
Jose at 0:07, Jun 3:
i just didnt take the screenshot
Aly C at 0:07, Jun 3:
If there would have been an issue, you would have been kicked out from the table.
Aly C at 0:07, Jun 3:
If that was not the case it means there is something on your computer requirements missing.
Aly C at 0:07, Jun 3:
Like proper settings.
Jose at 0:07, Jun 3:
like i said
Jose at 0:07, Jun 3:
i just did not take the ****ing screenshot
Jose at 0:08, Jun 3:
because i thought the money was going to be put back in to the account
Aly C at 0:09, Jun 3:
I understand Jose, I need you to understand that what you are mentioning is not possible at all.
Jose at 0:09, Jun 3:
ok, hopefully it happens again, and i will show you.
Aly C at 0:09, Jun 3:
The system will not leave your table open if our software failed.



SCREENSHOT TODAY AS IT HAPPENED AGAIN

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06-03-2019 , 01:45 PM
Ok im back.

Let me try and get some more info to update you guys. I have quite alot of things we need to do and we will be going back to the regular schedule tomorrow.
I will start implementing freezeouts and the 2 re entry tournaments aswell but i just need some time to get it right.

I am going to go through all the pm;s now also so bear with me.
I will have some updates for you soon.
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06-03-2019 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Winning_TD
Ok im back.

Let me try and get some more info to update you guys. I have quite alot of things we need to do and we will be going back to the regular schedule tomorrow.
I will start implementing freezeouts and the 2 re entry tournaments aswell but i just need some time to get it right.

I am going to go through all the pm;s now also so bear with me.
I will have some updates for you soon.
That's awesome to hear. I'm excited to see the finalized schedule.
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06-03-2019 , 02:12 PM
ETA on Blitz?
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06-03-2019 , 02:20 PM
There's a lot of eastern eruo players that just mysterious showed up at 25nl. Some of them I had notes on as being possible bots but they been out of action for a few weeks.
Now they are back along with other eatern euro accounts.
Kinda strange
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06-03-2019 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by AintNodaisy
Okay...

I'm back.

Winning TD, you might mention to the dev team that posted blinds currently aren't working properly. I've seen this a number of times... For instance, if someone decides to post after a missed blind the amount to call (for the rest of the table) changes to the amount posted by the player, that missed their original blind. For instance in a $1-$2 game, the amount to call (for the entire table) becomes $3 not $2; since that is the amount that's being posted... I guess for some reason the tables aren't killing that extra $1, which should be dead.

Still no rakeback.
Curious, does a flush still beat a straight in this version?
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06-03-2019 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bua
There's a lot of eastern eruo players that just mysterious showed up at 25nl. Some of them I had notes on as being possible bots but they been out of action for a few weeks.
Now they are back along with other eatern euro accounts.
Kinda strange
UPDATE: I went thru the lobbies of 5nl and 10nl and easterners are out in full force.
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06-03-2019 , 02:30 PM
LOL, thats the same BS that was sent to me in an email from a tourny I couldn't reenter,
It was all my fault as their software showed no interruptions. Don't get your hopes up.
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06-03-2019 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bua
UPDATE: I went thru the lobbies of 5nl and 10nl and easterners are out in full force.
what?
there are 5 nl10 tables currently

out of the 30 seats taken 23 are from the US, 2 canadian, 2 australian, 1 from the uk, 1 a belarussian shortstacker who's unlikely to be a bot and 1 seat by obligee from kazakhstan, who probably was a bot previously. But since he is 1tabling a lower stake, having never ever played a hand below nl25, he's probably playing himself.
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06-03-2019 , 03:04 PM
The only eastern euro player I saw since new update was Kuznya and he doesn’t share same sats as the botring.

Almost all the 25NL pool are new players though that I don’t recognize, all from US. I assume the regs will be back when PT4/HM2 is updated.
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06-03-2019 , 03:07 PM
The MTT schedule appears to only be Holdem. Don't forget to unlock the MTTs for Omaha and Stud.
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06-03-2019 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ladybruin
I am old school enough to go all the way back to playing on Planet Poker. The number of errors by WPN is unheard of. It feels like false hope thinking they can run a poker site properly. US players are so screwed.

If the bots aren't dealt with, then Blitz is just going to be a way for the bots to steal faster.
Yes the good old days.
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06-03-2019 , 06:00 PM
Also SNG for Omaha
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06-03-2019 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by September.28
The MTT schedule appears to only be Holdem. Don't forget to unlock the MTTs for Omaha and Stud.
WinningTD says the regular schedule will be back tomorrow, which I assume will include other variants. We shall see.
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06-03-2019 , 06:01 PM
I would love more MTTs with a player cap that creates a large overlay. Hahah
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