SimplySensational isn't a bot. I have a decent sample size on him and he doesn't have the same robotic player tendencies that the other Latvian accounts do. Also he has a P5s account with all his screen names listed.

do you know how many hands you had on him?

I had 3.4k hands against foxrox and only got $6.06c

I even got a decent refund and I seldomly play MTTs. Kudos to WPN for taking a step in the right direction. I hope this is the start of a new era.

I think that it is very likely that it was more than one account that was banned, no way there was 175k on one account like someone mentioned earlier.
EDIT: I now see there is a public list of all refunded accounts and many suspected/accused bots also got refunded.

The way the refunds are calculated is explained on this page: https://www.americascardroom.eu/banned-accounts/

This page also looks like they are trying to add names to it, which honestly looks very promising if that is indeed what they intend to do.

I filtered my database for deepruns/final tables vs foxrox and found 1 decent one. Final table of BIG10 $16.50 on the 5th of February. However, he came 9th so based on the way refunds are calculated only players that placed below him will benefit. So basically you wanted to make sure you placed ITM in any tournament Foxrox ran deep in, or better yet won.

My pokertracker shows him with a VPIP of 19.1 and those were 72 hands, but that is only since the beginning of March; I had a hard drive crash and lost my data. I've been playing tournaments just about daily since October so it was probably many more than the 300 or so hands that would suggest.

Noted, thanks for the heads up.

I see names of micro players, so this bot must have been at every level. That's a pretty big list to be only 1% of the players on this site.

Step in the right direction

Can't wait for them to ban some of the 25nl bots, I might make a small fortune

You can't say anything definitive with only 550 hands. Let us know what your thoughts are after 50k or 100k hands at each network.


Depending on how consistent they are with updating this list I might even consider playing here at some point in the future. Hopefully we start to see lots of cash game accounts on the list soon.

This is a good step in the right direction, but it's way too early to celebrate any change in their philosophy when it comes to game integrity. We need to remember that right after ChicagoJoey's videos about the network that they also sent out some refunds. Then we never heard about any more refunds until now.

What this tells me is that if you see anything fishy then you should be recording it on video. Even though the data evidence that HandOfGod666, FernandoCosta and others provided via spreadsheets is pretty damning, it doesn't quite get the community in quite the same uproar that actual video evidence does. When there is sufficient outrage from the community because of video evidence they appear to be more open to making some changes.

This is not acceptable behavior.

Offer rescinded. It appears that you do not understand the game.


You clearly did not understand what that meant. Perhaps that was due to incomplete communication on my part, however, what is done is done. You have proven that you can not be trusted to have a frank and private conversation.

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Kahn

Of course I posted a tiny sample but that was just from a few hours of playing yesterday. I have a good 10k hands put in at 10nlz on bol over the last 2 wks also and there's no question that 10nlz on bol is considerably harder than 10nl on wpn. Both networks are soft at those stakes but seriously, these guys at wpn just hand over stacks because they're so over aggressive.

You said you didn't understand why I would say that. I provided the reason. I think it's perfectly fine to post it unless you were being dishonest in either scenario. I honestly didn't think it was that big of a deal, hence the . You certainly appear to be pretty upset about how it could be perceived. I wouldn't have even posted it if you didn't ask why I said that.

I'm not sure what rescinding an offer accomplishes when somebody already declined it.

I'm not sure what "game" you're referring to. I don't post things publicly and then show my true colors to people in private messages. I'm the same person in public that I am in private. I'm here to help the poker community. I have no other motives or agenda. I'm not an affiliate who hangs around here trying to acquire new clients. I've even had players here suggest that I become one, but I doubt I would be able to be as honest and unbiased as I am around here if I was one.


I still don't. Feel free to explain it here since you'd rather not have anymore private messages with me.

I think plenty of honest people here trust me not to disclose important private information. Plenty of 2+2 members have confided in me. I don't see that quote as something that important. I'm sorry you feel that way.

Take that personal **** to pm please. No need to clutter up the thread with all that.


I think you make a good point here, someone needs to make a video showing all the evidence. If you get Joey to post it on his channel a ton of people will see the info and make a ton of noise. Just a thought.

Joey has read this thread recently and responded. I don't think he wants anything more to do with the situation and I can understand that. If HandOfGod666 wants to try to talk Joey into doing something then that's up to him. I don't actively track botting accounts on this network. I just read, respond and analyze the evidence others provide.

We have players abusing the sit out feature. They sit out, someone hits their clock, and they sit back in. When it's coming up on their turn to play a hand again, they sit out. Back and forth. I saw on player just do this for over 30 minutes and is still at it as i write this.

I'm saying someone else make the video, not Joey. Just get a big poker channel to post it so others can see it. Making a big noise is the only way to get change in this world. At least that's what I've learned from politics lol.


Ya everything about this new feature is ******ed. It was better when you just got kicked after 2 orbits. Tables die cuz of this stupid software feature, you get half the table sitting out and bam table's dead cuz the software is counting down 500 seconds instead of feeding the waiting list to the table. It's like they took the dumbest person working at WPN and put them in charge.

And they can just interrupt the countdown by sitting back in temporarily. Sure it goes back to counting down where it left off when they sit back out but they wind up being able to really, really drag things out and it definitely kills off the traffic at that stake when it's multiple players doing it. This really needs a fix asap.

Yeah, I understood what you meant. Whether it be Joey or any of the popular poker content producers acknowledging the situation would definitely help anybody who goes about making a video on the subject. Posting spreadsheets that only us number nerds understand doesn't really help capture a big audience.

This is called table blocking and is a violation of ToS. You can try reporting it.

I agree that video evidence would be ideal, but the plo cash bots are programmed so solidly it's gonna be hard to remove plausible deniability. It would be nice to catch one glitching in game, but I've only seen that happen on Ignition (and that was over a year ago). There is one specific situation where they do sometimes glitch out. I had typed out in detail what happens, but then decided that was probably unwise (I'll communicate via PM if I recognize your name). I will start having camtasia on the ready just in case.

I already posted this glitch. When a player straddles, they can only min raise or fold. I'm sure it is not a glitch at all, but what the prgrammer decided was the best strategy to implement for whatever reason when facing a straddle. This criminal has also decided plenty of other exploitable or weird strategies are also worth prgramming into the bot so this shouldn't surprise anyone.

I have already stopped playing on the winning poker network and I suggest other regulars also boycott the site until the PLO bots are removed and cheated players recompensated.

Also there is no plausible deniability. The stats of these bots are the exact same as the stats of the bots that were banned last year on WPN, ad the one that was banned in 2016 and the bots that were running on stars in 2016 and prior. The evidence is incontrovertible and needs to be acted on immediately.

I was thinking that recording a video with a HUD displayed showcasing multiple accounts with the same exact stats, using the same bet sizing and exhibiting tendencies not commonly found in human regs could get a bigger audience in video form.

I will stream on twitch showing the straddle glitch and bot exploits and stats sometime later this week. Maybe if enough people share it and enough outrage is generated, WPN will be forced to do something like with the FoxRox incident.

Obviously I agree. I'm saying it would be ideal to have something on video where even someone who knew very little about online poker could tell that something was amiss. Like you said, HUD stats and spreadsheets just don't have the same effect.

I'm talking about a different glitch. Posted in our other chat.