Winning TD, you are ignoring this ****. You should be ashamed of yourself. MAN THE **** UP *****!!!

You must have missed the story where the software code designer owns and runs one of the skins on this network. That is probably why you don't see them do anything to bots from that skin.

Winning TD...... response?

I regret to inform you that even if he were to respond it would not satisfy you or any other legitimate player who plays on the network since we know they're not going to do anything that will significantly improve the situation.

Here's what he would say. "I've sent a link to the thread over to the security team to investigate." Weeks will go by and perhaps one or two of the accounts disappear as one or two new ones appear. You'll ask for an update about why so many of the accounts are still around and he'll say "that if they're still playing then the security department must have determined that the accounts are not bots." Also he'll mention how security is not his job and how their security team works hard.

Actions, or in the case the lack of, speak louder than words. They've made their stance abundantly clear. Bots will continue to be very present at their tables for the foreseeable future. Act accordingly.

I don't see how this is relevant. This bot is also on many other networks that the software developer probably doesn't own.

Nobody is alleging that WPN designed these bots.

The bot CrazyHooch was spotting playing 10/20 tonight. It lost a stack which was nice to see

Just a casual 4 bots in this 1/2 full ring game right now.

Technokrat, Toughie, Lazycroc and Gefest are the bots. Since they are sharing hole cards this means they have 31% of the total deck at their disposal.

Shame on you WINNING_TD.

https://imgur.com/a/ay1qrlC

Look at those sick GoT avatars though.. how can you even be upset?

Anyone having troubles on windows 10 today. Haven’t been able t start up any sites or anything it keeps freezing on me. Checking for windows updates currently.

I'm not seeing the GoT avatars. I am using some card mods, maybe that's why?

He is referring to this HandOfGod......

This is all accurate information when I made my series of videos on the WPN cheating in just about every game format and included in my videos.

I found a lot of the bot accounts for cash games AND SNG AND the accounts/bots taking advantage of the late registration bug (how convenient to be familiar w/ this) came from a skin called PokerKing. PokerKing CEO IS THE SAME EXACT PERSON WHO FOUND THE COMPANY IN CHARGE OF THE WPN SOFTWARE that they license. What it seems to me is that this company creates the software, WPN & other sites at the time of the video use it.

I tried to tell people how corrupt this site really is independent of if anyone is winning or not at the games. We don't even know who is really in charge of the site and security.


PokerKing AND IG Soft Founder/CEO












Maybe this is why Phil Nagy can't get rid of the bots like he has said he wants to. The software company also operates a skin for the Winning Poker Network.

IG Soft headquarters are located in Bulgaria w/ a team of 50+ employees.







You have a better understanding of the situation than 99% of people I've spoken with. There are a number of different ways bots are operating right now. I've gotten to see some botting software and speak to people who operate the bots themselves and also in charge of the networks some bots run off.

I always found it interesting how most of the accounts stayed below the top tier prize level for the beast but not surprising.

I would be shocked if WPN/IGSoft didn't have some type of deal w/ the botters assuming they aren't operating some of them.

Here you can see what it looks like on the back end when it comes to account management. There are plenty of security tools available to pick up on what accounts are cheating/colluding/botting.

I know the botters are reading this thread also laughing because they've played 10mm+ hands on the site w/ no end in sight. I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the accounts switch up some of their patterns without getting into how. Get in touch with me and I will give you ideas you've never thought about how to avoid detection.

Don't worry guys, Winning TD is on the case. You are very safe.

bang bang

So... is it even worth depositing into WPN, given the continuing issues with bots? Is it possible to win even with the bots around?

In my opinion the bots are only beatable when there is only one at a table. Even then I think only the top ~5% of players are able to beat them.

Their major leak on the flop is their outrageous stab vs a check in position when closing the action, so obviously you should check when strong almost always if the bot closes the action. They will check back medium strength or even nutted draws occaisionally though, so it may be prudent to sometime cbet a strong hand if the bot is likely to have many weak draws in its range. Their delayed stab vs a 2nd check is also extremely high so if the first check raise is unsuccessful, generally you should try again. Check raising your best hands makes a lot of sense seeing they will bet call merged hands or even 3bet.

There is an exception, at NL omaha they play so horrible vs a short stack that I think even despite them card-sharing an edge can be had if there is 2 at the table.

I love how Papi and HandOfGod are absolutely tearing WPN to shreds and it's all crickets from Winning_TD. The silence speaks the loudest. Imagine being the public face of a top 10-15 poker site and watching people making cheating and botting allegations, and saying absolutely nothing about it.

There's a reason they no longer have a sponsored forum here.

Fwiw I haven’t noticed the 10 plo bots the past couple nights but didn’t play much yesterday so could of missed them

Oh Joey.

You must have forgotten about our conversation as i have it all saved for the future sir. I would suggest its not something you wish to discuss in the public eye. Yes everyone will now be very curious as to why i am saying this right here on 2+2 but dont come to my thread and start trying to belittle me here when all i do is help so many people with real issues.

Yes bots is nothing to do with me. I dont have tools but i do send every single name on to security so thats the best i can do.

A quick google will get you to a forum with thousands of users and markets for botting scripts, and WPN is one of their bread and butter sites. I have a hunch that we are only uncovering the bots that are running the most popular scripts that are sold publicly.

From my limited investigation on the bot site, even small software updates will take months to patch for the bots to work properly. An easy way WPN can help is to roll out visual updates more frequently.


Also confirming that there are still a large number of bots on NLHE that runs the popular 29/22/9 stat. I saw four yesterday while playing (Jitterbugg MisterOrange2000 are the two that have the most hand samples on statsname).

Also I want to add that these NLHE bots do not seem to be making opponent specific plays, they can be exploited by playing unconventionally with unbalanced ranges. I do see winning regulars play 3 handed vs two bot profiles so at least some people have taken advantage of this situation. I’d recommend everyone to study these profiles and try to exploit them as much as possible.

One of the top mid and low stakes holdem regulars believes they do adjust.

I have to get around to comparing bot stats vs myself compared to everyone else to know for sure. There is slight variance in stats across bot profiles so I would assume this is due to player-specific adjustments (at least for preflop).

Which stake are you playing? I can tell you what bots are active currently at that stake

Lol, this is great. You ask me to contact you privately as we have shared many discussions in the past, I say no thanks due to you telling me that I must be getting paid by another company to make these videos, then you threaten to share our past conversations in the future. Wonderful. (Maybe I'm working together with you and the bot operators to run the bots myself and this is a tactic to get all the winning players off the site)

I think you are suggesting these issues I'm bringing up aren't real and the issues I brought up in the past weren't real. These very real issues have been confirmed in the past by the poker operator you work for when they issued thousands of dollars in refunds to players.

For better or worse, your job is to deal w/ these comments as you appear to be the only person capable of communicating between WPN and the players. Of course we will expect you to talk about a massive issue like 65+ bot accounts currently operating at cash games. When you tell us, sorry mate, not my department, I know nothing, how do you expect people to react to that?

YES. The smart bot operators will never be detected.

Hey Joey,

Since you seem to be pretty active in this thread at the moment, there's something that never got resolved that's always stuck in my craw just a little bit. Perhaps you could take a moment to respond to it.

I really don't care about the super using stuff; it's the very last paragraph I was hoping you could address, which I've bolded. I expect I was making something out of nothing, but it would be nice to finally have that confirmed. Or corrected.

Respectfully, I sure would love a direct response from Winning_TD on the bolded part here. I am not smart enough to know how the hell a site might deal with undeniable presence of several bot accounts, but it would just be nice to hear some sort of acknowledgement that it is indeed an alarming issue and, I don't know, that at least the bot accounts that have been identified have been permabanned.....or am I just taking crazy pills? All I have heard you say is you have forwarded the info to the security department. Which, again, is like saying you have nothing more to offer. We ain't buying that. Can't you, as our best line of communication, give us a little more, like tell us you had an intense conversation detailing how messed up the players find this to be and made security aware of how messed up you personally think it is? Or do you even think it's messed up? that's where I am at