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03-26-2019 , 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by mement_mori
People were mentioning seeing what country players are from. I am playing on ACR and can't seem to locate that information. Where exactly is it?
Just double click on the player's name and the window will pop up.
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03-26-2019 , 02:20 PM
I will tell you that it is very very similar to the current software for the time being. Reason behind this is we want the integration to be smooth for not to savvy players etc and cut down as much as we can on cs contacts. Over time and with the dev team we have, changes and improvements and features will be super quick. However after testing the first tournament yesterday. Colours are sharp and it was really smooth and quick.
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03-26-2019 , 05:33 PM
Does the mobile option work for ACR? I tried logging into it and all I saw was jackpot sitngos and when I clicked on it, nothing worked anyway.
I also do not see any headsup cash table on the regular site. I do not have any filters on. How do I get them?
Thanks
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03-27-2019 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by HoodedN
Just double click on the player's name and the window will pop up.
Thank you so much, no idea how I missed that
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03-28-2019 , 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by kingo
Does the mobile option work for ACR? I tried logging into it and all I saw was jackpot sitngos and when I clicked on it, nothing worked anyway.
I also do not see any headsup cash table on the regular site. I do not have any filters on. How do I get them?
Thanks
HU was removed a few months ago. Mobile only works for the spin and go
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03-28-2019 , 05:18 PM
WinningTD this is a request regarding client crashes. I would say in general poker is way to easy, and I have been looking for ways to challenge myself. I was wondering if the acr team would consider setting up a system where the client automatically crashes every 35 minutes, instead of only 3-4 times a session. Just want to try and challenge myself, because everytime it crashes I have re situate all my tables and wait for my hud to reload. Poker is just way to easy for me and always looking for more challenges. I know it is a shot in the dark but figured I would ask.

with regards,

Silkhandlez

P.S.

LOVE THE NEW GAME OF THRONE AVATARS! OMG AWESOME!
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03-28-2019 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by silkhandlez
WinningTD this is a request regarding client crashes. I would say in general poker is way to easy, and I have been looking for ways to challenge myself. I was wondering if the acr team would consider setting up a system where the client automatically crashes every 35 minutes, instead of only 3-4 times a session. Just want to try and challenge myself, because everytime it crashes I have re situate all my tables and wait for my hud to reload. Poker is just way to easy for me and always looking for more challenges. I know it is a shot in the dark but figured I would ask.

with regards,

Silkhandlez

P.S.

LOVE THE NEW GAME OF THRONE AVATARS! OMG AWESOME!
Normally i wouldnt respond to the troll comments. However i think its important to ask how many tables you play at a time?
We havent recieved complaints of crashing for a long time (touch wood)

Have you tried playing without loading a HUD and seeing if that helps?

If you like that avatar, wait and see whats coming next!!
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03-28-2019 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Winning_TD
Normally i wouldnt respond to the troll comments. However i think its important to ask how many tables you play at a time?
We havent recieved complaints of crashing for a long time (touch wood)

Have you tried playing without loading a HUD and seeing if that helps?

If you like that avatar, wait and see whats coming next!!
Oh snap playing without a hud, that is another thing I never thought of to make things tougher! TY! It doesn't matter if I am 4 tabling or 20 tabling. Happens more frequently when playing more tables. Also you probably don't hear complaints because more regs share a similar view to me with my last post.

Also I requested for this a few months ago, figured I would ask again.. Is there any way we can make those notification banners bigger? Right now they are just making the pot tough to see while multi tabling. And knowing the pot size when playing is nothing but a distraction. If you made them big enough to actually cover the pot size we wouldnt be able to see it at all.

also currently having a new cool scenario. I am at the table, can play my cards, but the reenter sign is still up! Awesome!https://gyazo.com/67105738bc010ab124f94d679e044cb8
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03-29-2019 , 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Winning_TD
How about sending me the video also so i can take a look and maybe inform you as to what happened?
I dont do social media but i certainly get things done here.
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Originally Posted by Rojono88
Anyone have any idea on how to contact Chicago Joey?
You can send me the video here on 2p2 or find me on twitter @joeingram1 or Instagram @papiGTO

Why would the ACR customer support ever do social media?? That wouldn't make much sense.


Winning_TD any comment on these alleged 65+ bot accounts that play all day/every day on the PLO cash game tables??

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1759

Maybe you can certainly help out with this one.
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03-29-2019 , 10:43 AM
Ya seriously, with the card sharing bots there's no point on player PLO anymore and NLHE is kind of a dead game. You guys don't have mixed games so wtf is there to play anymore. You can play lots and lots of bots I guess....
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03-29-2019 , 10:54 AM
No reason to play cash games/sngs on WPN. At least in tourneys they can't choose where they sit.
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03-29-2019 , 11:09 AM
i agree that there are plenty of issues with wpn-but all the top guys win a bunch on there (ravenswood, cobus, katya, borntotilt, givemeup, etcetc)

I'm nowhere near these guys and still win a bunch at hsnl
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03-29-2019 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by silkhandlez
Oh snap playing without a hud, that is another thing I never thought of to make things tougher! TY! It doesn't matter if I am 4 tabling or 20 tabling. Happens more frequently when playing more tables. Also you probably don't hear complaints because more regs share a similar view to me with my last post.

Also I requested for this a few months ago, figured I would ask again.. Is there any way we can make those notification banners bigger? Right now they are just making the pot tough to see while multi tabling. And knowing the pot size when playing is nothing but a distraction. If you made them big enough to actually cover the pot size we wouldnt be able to see it at all.

also currently having a new cool scenario. I am at the table, can play my cards, but the reenter sign is still up! Awesome!https://gyazo.com/67105738bc010ab124f94d679e044cb8
Your screenshot doesnt show anything. I just said test without playing with a HUD as you will be able to see if that is an issue or not.

The new software the messages will be alot better. We are very close.
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03-29-2019 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
You can send me the video here on 2p2 or find me on twitter @joeingram1 or Instagram @papiGTO

Why would the ACR customer support ever do social media?? That wouldn't make much sense.


Winning_TD any comment on these alleged 65+ bot accounts that play all day/every day on the PLO cash game tables??

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1759

Maybe you can certainly help out with this one.
Im not security as you know so that is just silly. Shall we say alleged being the operative word in this statement. If you wish to discuss anything further you are more than welcome to do so. You know how to contact me privately as we have shared many discussions in the past.

I asked to see the video because maybe i can help with the issue. Sending you the video wont really do much good in terms of fixing a potential issue with this players account.
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03-29-2019 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Winning_TD
Your screenshot doesnt show anything. I just said test without playing with a HUD as you will be able to see if that is an issue or not.

The new software the messages will be alot better. We are very close.
my screen shot does show something. How about this clip? this is more clear.

https://www.twitch.tv/silkhandlez/cl...ashimiUncleNox

Don't get me wrong though I do like this a ton. Like I was saying earlier, poker is just way to easy and I try to be a "go getter" "ambitious person". I had to manually find myself in the lobby of the tournament, and click my screen name to get it to work like that. Sometimes when things like this happen, less ambitious players ask for things like a refund or some sort of comps in spots like this. I never would tho. Even though the free venom satty that doesnt register for 5 days as a comp, and you are unable to unreg is so so great. I just am not looking for hand outs ya know?? I like the challenge of the site, and all the glitches. Why I play here. cuz you guys are "super awesome"!!!

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03-29-2019 , 02:31 PM
This is definitely more clear. That is very interesting yes. I have never seen this or been reported this before. Did that stay there throughout the tournament ?
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03-29-2019 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Winning_TD
This is definitely more clear. That is very interesting yes. I have never seen this or been reported this before. Did that stay there throughout the tournament ?
until i busted yes. and sorry for the rant obviously, got a bit out of hand. But when i post a screen shot and it clearly shows something different then what standard lay out does, and the person repping site says "this shows nothing" it triggers the absolute **** out of me.
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03-29-2019 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by silkhandlez
until i busted yes. and sorry for the rant obviously, got a bit out of hand. But when i post a screen shot and it clearly shows something different then what standard lay out does, and the person repping site says "this shows nothing" it triggers the absolute **** out of me.
Ok ignore me, the issue was picked up by social earlier and sent to dev to take a look. I will let you know
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03-29-2019 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Winning_TD
Ok ignore me, the issue was picked up by social earlier and sent to dev to take a look. I will let you know
I mean you don't have to "let me know" anything..

All trolling aside, I really don't care, crashes and glitches are just things that happen on the site frequently.. Anyone who puts in volume there knows that, and just accepts it for what it is. it isn't unbearable, it just is what it is. U.S. grinders have to make the best of their limited options.
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03-29-2019 , 08:02 PM
Winning, how are you gonna ignore the bot issue when people are making spreadsheets showing how tons of accounts have the same stats in ways that humans couldn't? I think you need to page someone from security to look at this cuz right now cuz WPN is severely neglectful in this area.


You saying allegedly leads me to believe you didn't really take a look at that thread.
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03-29-2019 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Winning_TD
Im not security as you know so that is just silly. Shall we say alleged being the operative word in this statement. If you wish to discuss anything further you are more than welcome to do so. You know how to contact me privately as we have shared many discussions in the past.

I asked to see the video because maybe i can help with the issue. Sending you the video wont really do much good in terms of fixing a potential issue with this players account.
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Originally Posted by Sir Huntington
Winning, how are you gonna ignore the bot issue when people are making spreadsheets showing how tons of accounts have the same stats in ways that humans couldn't? I think you need to page someone from security to look at this cuz right now cuz WPN is severely neglectful in this area.


You saying allegedly leads me to believe you didn't really take a look at that thread.
Not his department, not his problem. "65+ possible bot accounts w/ detailed stats/spreadsheet?? I see nothing mate. I'm not security, don't be silly and bring this type of information to my attention. I have no idea who to direct this information to. Why would I?"

I don't have any interest in discussing this issue w/ you privately as I saw how good that did me last time and your reaction to this question shows how much you care. I believe your approach previously was to accuse me of being paid by rival sites instead of finding any merit in what I and others were bringing up. I also believe this was before the site issued mass refunds to the players.

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Originally Posted by chunkit4wanton
i agree that there are plenty of issues with wpn-but all the top guys win a bunch on there (ravenswood, cobus, katya, borntotilt, givemeup, etcetc)

I'm nowhere near these guys and still win a bunch at hsnl
Similarly to the other bot rings that have existed in the past and currently exist, these accounts play micro/small/mid stakes.
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03-29-2019 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
Similarly to the other bot rings that have existed in the past and currently exist, these accounts play micro/small/mid stakes.
They also play high stakes. Up to PLO2000. The bots "kigdin", "GhostStPatrick", "CrazyHooch", "TheUnlimiteD""temerarious5" just to name a few frequently play 5/10+

All of the high stakes bots play a virtually identical postflop strategy as our main man kr0na down at plo10 crushing the game at 12bb/100

Preflop stats are totally irrelevant and that is why I didn't include any of them in the spreadsheet ect. The bots play wider ranges as the relative rake of the stake goes down.

But don't take my word for it, check out the data for yourself!

kr0na (beast mode plo10 crusher)
https://imgur.com/a/FNC0dvY

Kigdin(beast mode totally legit non-bot plo2000 crusher)

https://imgur.com/a/3wYwaLY

There is over 75 active and inactive bots that I have identified now. They are making new accounts at what seems to be an ever increasing rate.

There are also other stats that I didn't include in the spreadsheet that can easily identify a bot, very low fsteal, at PLO it is around 35% at low stakes, at NL Omaha it is a bit higher, around 45%. Another key stat is preflop iso vs limp, button iso is close to 50% vs limp!

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03-29-2019 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by HandOfGod666
They also play high stakes. Up to PLO2000. The bots "kigdin", "GhostStPatrick", "CrazyHooch", "TheUnlimiteD""temerarious5" just to name a few frequently play 5/10+

All of the high stakes bots play a virtually identical postflop strategy as our main man kr0na down at plo10 crushing the game at 12bb/100
Wonderful

Maybe Winning_TD is working together w/ the bot network. Someone from WPN has to be for the same accounts to be operating freely for as long as they have been at all of the different stakes.

I believe a few of the micro bots before were banned and then a few new accounts from Eastern Europe picked up where they left off a couple of days later.

Your operation is safe from me Winning_TD, I spent enough energy worrying about the corrupt world of WPN. I don't intend to revisit the matter more than once per year. Hopefully real players can maximize their profits in tournaments for the foreseeable future. (Also the top .05% of regulars (i.e. Cobus) can continue having success as well at the high stakes, people seem to enjoy stating this as to them it somehow means the site isn't corrupt because the actual best players in the world are beating high stakes. Although we could debate the methods some of those players are using as well but that is probably a few years away/will never become a talking point.)

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03-29-2019 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
Wonderful

Maybe Winning_TD is working together w/ the bot network. Someone from WPN has to be for the same accounts to be operating freely for as long as they have been at all of the different stakes.

I believe a few of the micro bots before were banned and then a few new accounts from Eastern Europe picked up where they left off a couple of days later.

Your operation is safe from me Winning_TD, I spent enough energy worrying about the corrupt world of WPN. I don't intend to revisit the matter more than once per year. Hopefully real players can maximize their profits in tournaments for the foreseeable future. (Also the top .05% of regulars (i.e. Cobus) can continue having success as well at the high stakes, people seem to enjoy stating this as to them it somehow means the site isn't corrupt because the actual best players in the world are beating high stakes. Although we could debate the methods some of those players are using as well but that is probably a few years away/will never become a talking point.)
I'm not sure that WPN is running the bots themselves but I think it is very lilely that they know who is running the bots and which accounts are bots and they make sure not to ban those accounts. On the other hand, if that was the case, why would the operator(s) keep rapidly cycling through new accounts? That seems like way too much of a hassle just to make it seem like WPN didn't give a **** imo. It could also be first deposit bonus churning as well.

Also the software has been extra horrible lately, I routinely will have the client crash. typically around 1-2x every day. Also I get ejected from a random table and not allowed to sit back down for 30 minutes every couple days. All of my tables will just freeze up and disconnect a few times every night as well.

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03-30-2019 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
Wonderful
I believe a few of the micro bots before were banned and then a few new accounts from Eastern Europe picked up where they left off a couple of days later.

Not all of the bots are from Eastern Europe, some have Canada/Germany/United Kingdom/Kazakhstan locations. To date I have not identified any bot with the same trademark stats that has a United States location. My theory is that this bot software is widely available and distributed online and there are multiple independent bot operators, that is why you will sometimes see 3 bots playing each other, with no humans present. The bot operators are probably unaware of which accounts are bots run by other operators, because they are not self-conscious of their own stats. The multiple bot operator theory would also explain why some bots have been playing for over 2 years (eg, pushkan, oddi) these bots are run by operators that understand that WPN will never ban them (or have an explicit working relationship with WPN). Some of the operators are more afraid of being caught, so they are the ones that rapidly cycle through accounts.

Winning_TD told me that since none of these suspected bots are from the United States, that proves that none of the accounts are bots lol.\

Another worrisome development is that now some of the PLO bots are winning the second tier of Beast prizes. For over 2 years they never won above the 250$ tier, although some of the holdem bots have been taking the top tier for years. As someone that grinds the Beast for a living, how is this fair to have to compete with a bot that doesn't have to sleep or eat?

It is very clear in the Beast rules, that any player can be required to replicate the previous week's play or the previous prize will be forfeited. I am 100% certain that Ca11MeBaby is in fact not a human, why is this player not being investigated and funds confiscated?

Take a look at Ca11meBaby's statname profile and compared it with the players I posted earlier. Since this is a brand new bot account, the sample size is low and riverbet is lower than it actually is ect, but AFq, Cbet, X/R ect. are exactly the same.

https://imgur.com/a/hQkc6U8

Shame on you WINNING_TD.

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