Should also mention:

Site page for MTT Series is now up:

https://www.unibet.com/promotions/po...-online-series

The winner of the Overall leaderboard will be invited to a Battle of Champions at the end of the year. This will be a 9 player live-streamed tournament for all winners of UO and online MTT series (hint hint: we will have more MTT series this year ).

Also, UO London kicks off on Wednesday with another eSports SNG.

https://twitter.com/UnibetPoker/stat...24861448728578

The stream will run daily from Wednesday - Sunday from around 15:00 CET at https://www.youtube.com/user/UnibetOpen. I have a feeling that there will be a lot of giveaways for the online MTT series during the stream

Maybe introduce a non renewable Time bank like 90s (gets topped up every 24h) in case of connection issues?

You say punishing the regs that turn up, I say limiting the abuse of a system that allows players to not play target tournaments for as long as they like and hoard overlay. I'm not saying players are bad for doing this, it's Unibet's fault for having the system, and I'm not suggesting players shouldn't be looking for value but the players most vocal about any changes to the exchange system are the ones currently abusing it the most.

The same regs that 'turn up', don't turn up to a UK25 for example, because their ticket roll isn't big enough and would rather see a sat with overlay potential cancel rather than buy in with cash and have it run. You could have helped start any of those 3 sats you mentioned by entering with cash but that's not max value so you didn't.

Jonny said you and him both have 3 months worth of Nova tickets on the community, that's up to €2k worth of prizepool sitting doing nothing every week. The games can't grow if all the prizepool is sitting in players accounts, it needs to be turned over quicker. There is no need for anyone to have that many tickets for a weekly MTT. We both know that it's easy enough to get a few nova tickets a week but other than for the upcoming UOS main there is no reason to have more than 3 or 4. Capping the total tickets you can have for a target means more unique players get tickets, more unique people play the Nova and there is more money to be won. Winning money is the idea of poker right, not winning tickets to potentially win money

I get it, nearly all the sats overlay and there is a ton of value to be had (I'm one of the people happily milking it just now for the UOS) but at some point if the same people are winning them and just hoarding the tickets it's not going to be sustainable and you're left with reducing GTDs or reducing how many tickets you can have. If you can only have 4 Nova tickets in your account instead of 10 is it really going to hurt? Did any player really need 20 x UK4 tickets when only 3 sats run a night (pre r/a )?

Capping the tickets has it's negatives too though. It'll create more exchange requests as players have to do it more often for smaller amounts. It might mean some sats don't run as the value hunters that are maxed out can't play but it also might generate more unique players/bigger pools for the targets.

You're looking looking at this from "How does this affect me?" and not from "How does this affect everyone?". I'd lose just as much value as you and the next reg that plays all the sats in terms of ticket value if changes were made but we'd all gain more real money value from cashing the targets because they'll be bigger, I think.

Maybe I'm mad and all of the above is nonsense but I'm happy to argue about it with you until the end of time. I'm already looking forward to dinner in Glasgow

One easy solutions i propose: do not extand/renew tickets.

UnibetDavid
"Out of curiosity, can I ask your reasoning for that?"

You force players to to take a shot when they earn a ticket for a higher stage or their tickets will expire. Because they already have a lot of them for lower stage (short period of time to use) exchange dosn't make sense than.

David, Sleazy -

The first and best solution is to attract more players to the site. Solves so many issues. Of course easy to say and harder to do. Ive given David my tuppence worth on what i think would help.

I agree more target tournys should be played and to that end ive always advocated a mix of generic tix tournys and tournys where you are entered into the next stage.If your guaranteeing 20tix on a Sunday that should be auto regged into a target tourny. One solution always creates a new issue. If someone already regged in target tourny, what happens if they win the sat. Does this require dev time or is it an easy fix.

Please never mention Uk tour as an example. Its a terrible example as so many different issues before you even get to your point. Ive stopped playing it and i was one of the most successful players. I now have over 800 in tix sitting in deep space in perpetuity, getting an extension now down to once a month.

i have enough supernova, ubo and milky way tix. Maybe i should just stop playing now. Not sure what you want me to do. The likes of dara built their success on healthy tournament dollar balances.

The trouble with me and sleay is that once we start to write, were too lazy to stop.

I look forward to a live debate in Glasgow. maybe it should be televised on twitch. I fully expect you to be in charge of organised a game of killer and darts. David will personally turn up if you organised a pub crawl.

I'll be turning up just to join in the debate!

Thanks for replying David, great to hear

Play the target tournaments.

Presumably on a site the culture of which Unibet are trying to move away from.

Use satellites to get recreationals into the final tournaments, don't just feed them specialist satellite grinders half way up.

Don't split tickets at all. Give a long expiry date though.

I most be one of the only ones that loves the challenges as presently constituted... Or at least from the ones that mention it ITT I find them fun, enthralling...

Question : how much is the next Unibet Package worth? (from this quarterly, that is...).

Accidently bought in for a 10 euro qualifier to the uos that was already running when I meant to buy in for a 1 euro tournament. I think it would be good with some confirmation box where the cost was made clear, for ******s like me Ended up the bubble boy,

Why are some people anti-brm when it involves tickets?

If someone posted on a poker group "I have a 500 bankroll, I am thinking of playing a 250 mtt" people would tell him hes mad.

So why should people be forced to play a final when they just have a couple of buy ins for that event?


Shouldnt you use the same brm regardless of what the buy in is made up of,whether it be tickets,cash,bonus points?

Couple of quick ideas on tickets:-
Have tickets from missions,promos etc as a special ticket ending in promo. so you would have a UO10 normal and UO10-Promo any ticket ending with promo is non exchangeable, that makes it easy for the player and CS to see what can be changed.

Have less different types of tickets, there are a few different trees to get 50s/25s etc combine them and it should be easier to manage the overlay as Unibet are not managing lots of different systems.

Yes, if someone said they had €500 and wanted to play a €250 live sat final you might says it's bad BRM but if you post that you have 2x €250 final tickets and you're thinking of playing the final people will just ask you when you're going to play.. because you can't exchange tickets anywhere else (as far as I'm aware)

I'm not against players exchanging -a-ticket and using the broken down ticket to try and win some more but they should still be playing the target as well if they're winning multiples, it's the whole point the sat/ticket exists. Whether that's a ''must play with first ticket won' rule or something else something needs to change.

One site you can change to T$ with a 2nd ticket, on another any 2nd win of a ticket is converted to cash.

I agree the finals should be played but everyone has there own comfort zone on how much backup they need before having a shot. Myself I like plenty of backup some people are happy to have a shot with none at all.

With the uk tour being once a week now, I will play it if i have at least 3X100 because I feel confident I can maintain a roll at that level.

With the supernova I set myself 5x100 before I played it as I wasnt how sure I would fare in that sat tree.

With the UO I dont even feel comfortable with 50e games yet though I will play the 50e turbo as its similar to the other turbo games and the luck involved balances out my lack of poker skills. So with the UO I will take shots at the final when I get a third UO250 and if i loose then try to get another one before trying.

What makes you think i dont play target tournaments. I play supernova and milky way final every week. 6th last Sunday in supernova. Ive been to several UBO events as well as uk tour events. My complaint would be not enough finals. Im decent at sats and i have loads of tickets. What do you want me to do, stop playing. Tbh, i dont mind. Im as successful at sats at other sites and instead of tix as a balance i would have cash or tournament dollars. Its not actually optimal for me to play at unibet but it does less evil than other sites, although the lines are getting blurred in recent times.
The no other site does this argument is neither here nor there. Another site gives you cash instead of tix build up, another there is no expiry on live event tix, I can exchange/break down live event tix at another site etc Pros and cons everywhere just depends on your preference.
Dara is now a Unibet ambassador, not sure what unibet are trying to get away from.

If you're already qualified for everything you want then play normal tournaments for cash and get out of the way of people who are using the satellite system as qualifiers for the big headline tournaments.

Maybe there should be some "5x your money" type tournaments which pay out cash in a similar way to satellites currently pay (e.g. first 3 positions get 5x the buy-in) so people who want to play that structure regularly can.

Unibet are trying to get away from the shady bum-hunting culture of other sites with their HUDs and their satellite sharks.

Sitting at a qualifier tournament with the intention of grinding that level of the pyramid when everyone else is there to take their shot at the top tournament, is shady (though I don't blame you if the site mistakenly allows it).

If someone has bought maybe 5-10 one euro tickets at the bottom level of the satellite pyramid to get started, and since then has taken out 15 100 euro tickets at the top of the pyramid, they are not contributing to the prize pool but just making it harder for everyone else.

I am against this. It's absolutely not how a satellite structure should work. It just becomes a cash substitute. At Unibet it's marginally better because they are restricted to entering the target tournament as a way to eventually get their money out the system.

With the above exception, to people who think this is ok, why is the current way different to just doing satellites for bonus points or cash and let people buy what tickets they want? The whole reason for people qualifying through satellites rather than just trying to run it up at a cash table to get the money to enter, is to provide a closed environment for people taking their shot to just go up against each other.

@jonny - if your bankroll is 500 euros you shouldn't be playing satellites for 250 euro tournaments at all. If you are a recreational then you don't have a bankroll, you have a budget so just do whatever you enjoy with the money you deposit.

The new tournament series looks great , hope to join the action from next week.

Here is a question for you then:-

Which is better for Unibet and/or the total player pool?

a) Your comfort while playing a final/Nova.

b) Your discomfort playing a final/Nova but a potential 3/4 more unique players in the Supernova and an extra €300/400 in the prize pool (possibly being the difference between the MTT overlaying) or an extra €200-€500 in a UK/UO final again possibly clearing overlay or generating an extra seat.

Amen! I got roasted for saying this in the UK tour discussion thread on the community.

I don't think anyone is suggesting you don't play the targets, the debate here is about how many tickets players are collecting before playing the target and whether that is having a detrimental effect on the target or sats higher up the tree.

I don't think anyone is suggesting you don't play the sats either, in their current form they are value town for anyone that has a basic knowledge of ICM. The complaint isn't with the players, it's with the system. I have stats from all the sats I played last night as an example of the value currently on offer.

- €2 UOS 10 sat (2 tickets GTD): 9 entrants when I busted (Possibly overlay)
- €5 UOS 25 sat (2 tickets GTD): 17 entrants (No overlay)
- €10 UOS 50 sat (3 tickets GTD): 15 entrants (Slight overlay)
- €10 UOS 100 sat (3 tickets GTD): 20 entrants (Much overlay)
- €10 UOS 100 sat (3 tickets GTD): 19 entrants (Much overlay)
- €10 Nova sat (3 tickets GTD): 23 entrants (Much overlay)
- €10 UOS 50 sat (3 tickets GTD): 11 entrants (Many overlay)
- €10 UOS 100 sat (3 tickets GTD): 19 entrants (All the overlay)

I don't think there is a person in this thread (except David) that wouldn't be delighted to see that much added value to their nightly schedule so you, me or anyone else milking it makes perfect sense. If the overlay didn't exist would you still have 10 Supernova tickets in your account though? I don't think anyone would. I know I only have multiple tickets because the sats are so juicy just now

The question is how much of this extra value should you get? As an individual I'd say all of it. I can buy into all these sats so why not get all the value? Nobody is knocking that about any player but if you're looking at what's best for all players overall surely distributing this out in slightly smaller amounts to more players is better?

If this was the case wouldn't your 6th place in the Nova be worth more? There would be more unique entrants because more of the tickets stored in accounts are now play so the prize pool get's bigger and your €10 investment brings in a higher ROI.

No player is going to choose to not play a sat they know is going to overlay so "someone else can have the value" so it's up to Unibet to put a system in place that forces it.

T$ or cash as a reward just takes money away from the target or the sat tree and yes Dara and many other used that system to their advantage to make lots of money and travel the world but that doesn't make it a good system though. This can be seen by PS changing their policy on it.

I know you don't like bringing up the UK tour but I do You can't complain the tour is dying and the sats don't run when you have €800 of the pool of money invested in the tree sitting doing nothing in your account. Too many players are allowed to keep too many tickets off the tables and this stops the games and lowers the bums on seats at the live event. It's not up to you, or any other player, to voluntarily start playing them more.. Unibet have to force the issue a little more.

lektor,Sleazy. You two are bonkers if you think people put Unibet before themselves. Your conflating issues. Whats bum hunting and huds got to do with this. Agreed Unibet should find a solution for excess tix. The series should take care of some of that excess and help the series. Similar solutions should be looked at inbetween series.

people winning and not contributing. What a load of tosh. People are stuck in a system at the behest of Unibet. You cannot take money out unless you play end tournament and win, until then its money in the bank for any poker site. Every time those winnings are played unibet make money. The Only concern should be how we encourage people to play more and encourage play to get from 1 to 100 faster.

Your UOS sats example. Didnt play any,I can probably name more than 50% players who played that. 90% of that field would be categorized as shady by Lektor. If you removed shady, what do you have left. The low numbers on those sats has very little to do with system.

If overlay didnt exist, yes i would still have more than 10x100tix, as would others. Would i play if there was no overlay. I would play more. This is a survivor format and im good at that. When they guarantee 4 tix, i want it to reach 8 as it makes it easier for me. Thats a personal preference.

If i wanted a higher return for 6th i just go to pp or stars.

Any system you implement will have pros and cons, you cant please everyone. Similar size poker sites all have similar problems. At another site you get cash for a second tix. you get the same debate and the same conclusions. You stop players from getting cash and the games wont even start. You stop/cap winners and even more games will not get started or even more overlay leading to target tourney not starting or they will overlay. Its a vicious circle for a poker site.

Theres a reason why many recs dont get to finals. Some wont get there no matter what system you implement.

Be careful the unintended consequences of good intended thinking.

I dont play uk tour out of principle. I advise quite a few people. When they ask should i play r/a on there, i say no. I cant be a hypocrite and then go on to play myself. As to my dormant uk bankroll, thats Unibets choice. Change it to mtt and it will be used up. Ive started playing elsewhere for live uk events, up 2 tix. They seem to have different but similar problems.

I do take issue with being accused of self interest only. We all have some self interest undeniably but jeppe and marco will testify to the likes of me and nmpfan stinging their ears with problems and how best ti fix them.

Anyways, all this debating is causing a few tables not to start. Unintended consequences.

Useless debate I think.What ever u do with tix won,play or collect,has nothing to do with potential overlay.It is up to the site to figure it out about their guarantees.For example,Stars r so good at that planning for I have witnessed only 2 overlays in year time(one was in that new High roller series and one was at Anniversary Milly).
Also,it has nothing to do that will change players expectation either he is playing them fast or he is collecting them like building a bankroll of tickets.It is just a psychological effect that is different in player's mind. Unibet should use Stars structure of starcoins satties for Storm and Milly.No garranties,first payment up to 10x buy in etc.

I never said people put Unibet before themselves, quite the opposite. I don't think they should either. It's up to Unibet to move the money about more evenly, not the players.

The UOS example was to show the value available, not to comment on the numbers playing. The low numbers could simply be down to the fact there are so many sats running every hour at the same time.

Why would you want 10 Supernova tickets when you can only use 1 a week? I just don't understand what the benefit is. It's just seems like dead money to me. If you can earn 10 then why not just earn one a week?

There was no accusation of complete self interest from me. I'm aware of all the input you've given over the years.

Sleazy, Earlier post you said , You're looking looking at this from "How does this affect me?" and not from "How does this affect everyone?". I think all of us understand large overlays are bad for business and in the long run there will be negative consequences for all.

The UOS example. Theres a software issue playing havoc with scheduling, and other contributing factors. It has little to do in the context of original debate.

I want to play Supernova every week (wife moans permitting) and having a huge reserve is no bad thing, much like you and alcohol. There will be times when variance kicks you in the nuts. Had over 2k downswing in tix in less than a month. Its just good brm. If myself and others worked on the principle of 3 tix and play something else, this would lead to consequences i posted earlier. The play something else would be to play at another site. There is an unwise presumption that people stay and play something else at unibet.

unibet r just bossing it right now like nothing bad to say about them, just a few suggestions though i know playrs arnt allowed huds which is fair but shouldnt players be able to tag/note other players? purely for the fact that we cant have huds alone should mean we can tag and note players? also i think we should be able to chat to each other while sitting at the tables just for fun but also to talk strategy and to get info from them? anyone else??

Just to be sure, can we use €50 Sputnik/Milkyway tickets for UOS €50 events?

Yes, confirmed by Leo on community forum. If you have either of those tix, click on 50 UOS tourny and you have option for whichever ticket in your account.